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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 8 November 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

Thank you very much, Auditor General. I will move straight to questions from members.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

On page 16 of your report, in section 27, you state that you will

“consider expansion of the exercise during discussion of fees with the PSFA”,

which is the Public Sector Fraud Authority. What would need to come of those discussions to expand the exercise?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

On delivering the NFI, the report says:

“Two bodies were assessed as having fundamental issues with submission of datasets for matching”.

Which organisations were they? It appears that one is in local government and the other is in the colleges sector. What specific support or intervention is being proposed to them to help them deliver on their NFI arrangements?

10:30

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

Before turning to other members, I will ask a specific question about the adult concessionary travel scheme. You have reported that an estimated full-fare value of £200,000 of fraud has been identified where bus passes were used and

“where the passholder’s death had not been previously reported”,

leading to an underlying cost of £110,000 to Transport Scotland. Have you any further details about the number of times that has occurred or the number of passes that have been misused?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

You have identified that there is the potential for fraud in relation to older persons’ bus travel, so there would certainly be potential for fraud in relation to younger persons’ bus travel, through peer-to-peer or inter-household sharing of bus passes. Could more be done to identify such fraud? There is no mention of that as a possibility in the report, but you think that that can be investigated in future years.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

There is nothing to stop somebody working for a private sector organisation—but I know that that is outwith the remit of what we are talking about.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

I understand that there is a limit to what you can do on the data. We have talked a lot about deterrence. If the numbers are remaining consistent, I think that deterrence needs to happen through enforcement as much as the data matching exercise.

We have no further questions, so I thank you for your extensive evidence on the national fraud initiative in Scotland in 2026.

We will suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:38

Meeting suspended.

10:41

On resuming—

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

Everyone over the age of 60 is entitled to concessionary travel, so one would assume that it is people who are under 60 who are fraudulently using those passes.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

There were some really important points there that I am sure that we will want to take forward.

Thank you for your evidence this morning. We look forward to taking further evidence on the issue in due course.

11:49

Meeting continued in private until 12:19.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2026”

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Neil Bibby

The general issue of social security is related to pensions. Earlier, you mentioned the pilot that is taking place with Social Security Scotland on residency checks in relation to welfare payment recipients. Page 17 of the report says:

“If the pilot identifies significant levels of fraud, we will incorporate the match into future NFI exercises from 2028/29.”

What, in your view, would constitute significant levels of fraud? The reason I ask that is that, previously, you have qualified Social Security Scotland’s accounts due to millions of pounds of estimated fraud and error, but previous reports have also indicated fewer than 20 cases of clients who were not entitled to benefits.