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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Mr Stewart, I like that you smiled at that.
I am now going to move to the substantive question. Is the committee content that the provision set out in the notification be made in the proposed UK statutory instrument?
Members: No.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
There will be a division. Because Michael Matheson is online, we will have to do a roll-call vote. I will go around the table and ask each member to vote.
For
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Abstentions
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the draft climate change plan, which was laid on 6 November. The Parliament has 120 days in which to scrutinise the draft, and the Scottish Government has indicated that it intends to lay a final plan before the dissolution of Parliament prior to the election, in March next year.
Put simply, the plan is a strategy document that sets out how the Government intends to meet carbon-reduction targets across the whole of our society and the economy. Our committee is leading the cross-committee scrutiny of the draft plan, and this is our first evidence session on it. Today, we are considering the report in the round and asking, fundamentally, what makes a good climate change plan and does the draft look like such a plan? I hope that we will find out the answers, at the end of the day.
I welcome our witnesses: Dr Richard Dixon, chair, and Neil Langhorn, head of strategy and analysis, Environmental Standards Scotland; Professor Graeme Roy, chair, Scottish Fiscal Commission; and Clare Wharmby, co-director, Scottish Climate Intelligence Service. Thank you all for attending. I will get the thanks in at the beginning in case, by the end, you are not so thankful to have attended—although I hope that you will be.
I get to ask the first question, which goes to each of you. Richard and Neil, you might have to decide between you which of you will answer on behalf of your organisation. Clare, I will come to you first. What are your overall views on the draft climate change plan, and how does it compare with earlier versions? Is it what you expected?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Yes.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
My problem is that I cannot understand what has been netted off, to see where the benefits are. For example, let us look at heat in buildings. Although I do not think that the EPC system is worth while—I think that it should be reviewed, and the Government is reviewing it—going on such a system gives us a bottom-line cost of making the changes to reach, for example, EPC band C. In a house—I have used this example previously—reaching band D or E could cost up to £40,000, and the net benefit of making changes would be a £323 saving in electricity per year. That system allows people to see what the costs are to them.
Clare Wharmby, do you not think that laying that out a bit more would encourage people to invest where they think they can make reasonable change and to prioritise that investment, instead of just saying to them, “Och, well, there’s a saving for you somewhere, but we can’t tell you what it actually is”?
09:45Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
No—people are signing up to it, because their elected representatives will make a decision and will speak to it. It might not pass, but we do have to discuss it. The fact is that people have to sign up to this. Did we not learn that from the debates at the latest United Nations climate change conference of the parties? If people do not sign up, it is not going to be achieved.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that you have argued that point eloquently enough, Mr Stewart, so we will move to the next questions, which are from Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Deputy convener, I am not sure whether I saw your hand up. Do you want to come in, or did I misread the signal that you were giving? You are live, so we should be able to hear you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I am sorry—that was very perfunctory. I did not mean it to sound like that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 25 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Welcome back. We will go straight to questions from the deputy convener, whose team has been clearly emblazoned over the monitors as he drank from his cups of coffee.
Michael, over to you. Your question cannot be about football.