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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 332 disagreed to.

Amendment 333 moved—[Douglas Lumsden].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 333 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 402 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 50 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 406 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

As I confused myself, and probably one or two others, now seems the apposite moment to take a 10-minute break to allow people to stretch their legs. I ask members to be back here by just before 10:40.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

 

10:40 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. We move to the group on the enforcement of community engagement obligations. Amendment 53, in the name of Ariane Burgess, is grouped with amendments 345, 346, 54 to 56, 58, 60, 61, 407, 67, 70, 72, 76, 77, 82, 83, 408 to 411, 89, 90, 347, 412, 413, 91, 414 to 416, 97, 97A, 98 to 100, and 107. I remind members of the pre-emptions and direct alternatives in this group that are set out in the groupings. I ask Mark Ruskell to speak to and move Ariane Burgess’s amendment 53 and to speak to any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

It appears that Mark Ruskell is going to get another bite of the cherry at this stage to speak to amendment 412, unless he has done so already.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The committee heard about the fine levels when we took evidence. It was generally felt that £5,000 was quite light for some of the bigger businesses. We heard that a land management plan could cost somewhere between £15,000 and £20,000—I think that we discounted the much bigger estimates. That means that, if the fines were limited to £5,000, it would take four years of fines to equal the cost of not producing a land management plan. However, I have a problem with taking the level to £40,000, which is an incredibly large amount. Although I accept that a landholding of 1,000 hectares is a substantial holding, 1,000 hectares in the cabinet secretary’s constituency might be far more productive than 1,000 hectares on an uninhabited island or small island in the Highlands, or even in the Highlands as a whole, where densities of stocking are limited by the amount of vegetation. Therefore, the profitability of the holding would be such that a £40,000 fine would be impossible to pay, which is the point that I made earlier. I am signalling that, although I agree in principle with what Mr Doris has suggested, which is that £5,000 is too little, £40,000 seems to be a massive figure.