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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

We are not agreed.

I just want to clarify this. You are not going to agree to the proposal at all, Mark, but are we in a position to say that the committee is not agreed, with one member objecting—which we would have to say—and that we would like further details to be made available at a later date, when the HSE has made its consultation public to any subsequent committee? Would that be sufficient? I am looking at the clerks.

I have to ask, Mark: are you objecting in principle, or would you rather that the Scottish Government did that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Item 5 is an evidence session on the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan, which sets out how the Government intends to meet its carbon emissions reduction targets. The committee is leading a cross-committee effort to scrutinise the draft plan. The Government has said that it will lay a final plan by the end of March.

This will be our final evidence session on the plan. We will explore key themes that have been identified throughout this committee’s scrutiny, as well as issues raised by other committees. It is also an opportunity to explore the two main parts of the plan that are in the cabinet secretary’s remit: energy supply and waste.

I welcome back to the meeting Gillian Martin, the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy. I also welcome her supporting Scottish Government officials: Philip Raines, who is the deputy director for domestic climate change, and Edward McHardy, who is an economic advisor. Thank you for attending. Cabinet secretary, I think that you are going to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay. It is just that, when I look at it, I am struggling to understand. Last week, I particularly asked questions of the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, and she was unable to answer the questions on the figures, which we will come to at a later stage. If we look at page 67 of annex 3, it is accepted that all the figures are provisional, because there are no details there. Would that be Mairi Gougeon’s fault? Is it attributable to her that the figures have to be provisional, or is that attributable to you, because you do not have the details? I am trying to work out where the responsibility is.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

I am sure that we will come back to costs later in the session, but we have repeatedly heard in the evidence that the draft climate change plan lacks specific detail and is failing to deliver at the required scale and pace. How will you ensure that the final climate change plan, when it is laid, is clearer and more open about the specifics of who, what, when, where, how and at what cost? At the moment, you are accepting that the cost is a bit “stick your finger in the air and see what happens”.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I gently remind you, cabinet secretary, that the committee wrote to you to ask for any updates that came about as a result of the consultation. We are particularly pushed for time to get our report completed before the end of February, so that it can be debated in the Parliament in early March. We asked for early sight of those updates, so I remind you that that letter is there.

It is also disappointing that we cannot have a public evidence session with the Climate Change Committee until after we have reported, but that is the way it is.

Kevin Stewart has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Sorry, I will just come in. The deputy convener has raised some of the points that I raised earlier. We are asking people over the next 25 years to make huge changes to their lifestyle and to make huge contributions towards the ability of the UK to reach net zero by 2050 and of Scotland to reach net zero by 2045. Showing your workings would give them confidence in the Government’s plan.

We used to have a saying when it came to costs: “scientifically wildly assessed guess”. I think that there was another word in there, too. We cannot see the workings; we do not understand them. Therefore, to pick up on the deputy convener’s point, although providing that information might not be required, it would give credence to what you are trying to achieve. That is the point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay. Bob, I know that you want to come in. My final comment to the cabinet secretary is, if you want somebody to sign up to a plan, they have to understand the costs. That way, they can buy into it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Some members of the committee might.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Over to you, deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay.

It has been an interesting session. There have been a lot of key questions from the committee regarding further explanation, more detailed costings and the need for clarity. How will those points be incorporated into the draft climate change plan when it becomes the climate change plan?