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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That is perfect. Sarah Boyack has the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

As I see no other members wanting to ask anything before I come in, I will ask my last two questions.

From this morning’s evidence, it seems that a lot of what appears to be coming down is reliant on electrification and the price of electricity becoming reasonable. However, from what you have said, cabinet secretary, it is quite clear that that is not in your hands. It seems to be setting somebody up—aside from the Scottish Government—for the fall if we do not reach net zero within the timescales due to the price of electricity not coming down. By your own admission, cabinet secretary, you have always loved plans. What is your plan if you cannot get the price of electricity to come down? Will you choose another climate change plan? If so, what will that rely on?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The second question is perhaps easier, cabinet secretary. When it gave evidence to this committee, the Climate Change Committee suggested that the cost to the Scottish Government of achieving its carbon budgets and the figures that were set within them was about £750 million a year. Do you recognise that figure?

12:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I know that you will. I am asking you if you recognise that figure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

If the figure was £750 million per annum, it would mean that, by 2045, achieving the carbon budgets would cost the Scottish Government £18,750,000,000. Philip Raines, you are looking confused— I have done the maths. That is a huge amount of money, but no price has been put on what it will cost the people of Scotland beyond the cost to the Scottish Government—in other words, on what level of private investment will be required. Budgets are about setting income and expenditure. The income that you are trying to achieve in the budgets is a reduction in carbon, but we have not had the expenditure figures. Will we get any such figures before the committee considers the climate change plan, or will they only be laid out in the plan itself?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 0, Abstentions 4.

Motion agreed to,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That concludes our business for today. Next week, there will be a discussion of the paper on carbon budgets—[Interruption.] We are not quite finished yet, Mr Stewart.

That discussion will follow from the report, which we will sign off early next week. There will also be consideration of the petition on air quality, and a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill will be added to the agenda.

On Friday next week, the committee will visit Port Glasgow and the Hunterston Port and Resource Centre.

Meeting closed at 12:45.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

My problem is that I do not see the budgets being done and the facts and figures being laid out. We have no centralised energy plan across Scotland. There is no strength, weaknesses, opportunities and threats analysis carried out for each and every wind farm. They just appear to go up with no budget.

I think that I see you nodding, Fabrice. I will take it as a nod and move on to Mark Ruskell, although I am happy if you want to come back in on that.

Okay, Mark—over to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am just looking to Professor Hegerl and Professor Renaud to see whether they want to come in. I am hearing about the benefits, and I probably agree with them, but I am not hearing what the costs are, and that is what we have to get people to sign up to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am struggling to understand how to get people to sign up. We cannot just say that it will cost us X if we do not do it when we do not have any idea how much it will cost if we do it.