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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I just want to push on that slightly, if I may, cabinet secretary. In a commercial deal, part of it will be about recognising the amount that you will have to invest in the asset to make it work. I am not convinced that you have those figures in front of you—or do you have them to hand?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I am looking around to see if there are any other questions.

For the last series of questions, cabinet secretary, I ask you to cast your mind back to June 2023, which is just before you became a cabinet secretary. You were then part of this committee. On 26 June 2023, it produced a report on “A Modern and Sustainable Ferry Service for Scotland”, which I am sure you remember. I draw your attention to paragraph 193, which states:

“There is widespread agreement that the current tripartite arrangement for managing Scottish Government-funded ferries is not working effectively for the Clyde and Hebrides and is not adequately serving ferry-dependent communities. Change is needed.”

Paragraph 198 then states:

“The Committee recommends the Scottish Government should give consideration to a CMAL-Transport Scotland merger, to create a “Ferries Scotland” as an arm of Transport Scotland. This could streamline decision-taking.”

That followed on from a report by the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee in 2020 that said that the tripartite agreement was not working. What are you doing about it, cabinet secretary?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

We have had more focused ones since then, cabinet secretary. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I totally agree. My point is that CMAL is holding pensions that are the responsibility of CalMac, as I understand it, and there is a deficit in the pension fund. I am asking you whether that is going to be resolved in the short term.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a negative SSI, the Motor Vehicles (Competitions and Trials) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2025. These SI titles get snappier all the time.

The instrument is laid under the negative procedure, which means that it will come into force unless the Parliament agrees a motion to annul it. No such motion has been lodged, but the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has drawn the instrument to the Parliament’s attention under reporting ground (i)—defective drafting—and also under the general reporting ground in respect of two further points.

The defective drafting relates to how different types of motor vehicle events are regulated. The DPLR Committee noted that races or trials of speed are authorised and regulated under one set of regulations—the Motor Sport on Public Roads (Scotland) Regulations 2019—whereas other types of competitions and trials are regulated under the Motor Vehicles (Competitions and Trials) (Scotland) Regulations 1976. The instrument amends the competitions regulations by designating four rallies as specified events. However, the Government has now acknowledged that it is the motor sport regulations that should have been used, and it has said that it intends to introduce amending regulations urgently.

The DPLR Committee also reported two more drafting issues: first, the first rally is misnamed in the instrument, as the Scottish Government has now acknowledged—it is not the Robert Albert Clark rally but the Roger Albert Clark rally. The Scottish Government has undertaken to correct that by amending the instrument. Secondly, the committee queried the use of the phrase “public way” instead of “public highway”. The Scottish Government says that it considers the drafting to be clear but will reflect further on whether greater consistency would be preferable.

It looks as though no member has any comments on the instrument, so I?invite the committee to agree that it does not wish to make any further recommendations in relation to it but acknowledges those of the DPLR Committee. Is everyone happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

With Monica Lennon recusing herself from the following decision, are we also agreed to take item 7 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on its transport policies and performance. This is an opportunity for the committee to pick up on the themes that the committee has discussed with bus, train and ferry stakeholders in meetings earlier this year and on visits. There are also other issues within the cabinet secretary’s wide-ranging remit that we may wish to discuss this morning. Those include the decarbonisation of the sector, which is an issue that the committee will return to later this year when it takes evidence on the transport chapter of the forthcoming climate change plan.

I welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. From Transport Scotland, we have Fiona Brown, director of transport strategy and analysis; Chris Wilcock, director of ferries and ports, and Bill Reeve; director of rail reform. Thank you all for attending.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make some short opening remarks. I try that every time and, one day, I will get my wish.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Can you give us the timeframe for that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that we will.

Before we move to the next subject, I will talk briefly about active and sustainable travel. I note that, in 2023-24, there was a 50 per cent underspend and that, in 2024-25, there was about £200 million in the budget. I have to say that I get confused about what is being spent on active travel and what is being spent on sustainable travel. So that I can understand it, can you tell us what of that £200 million you are going to spend on active travel? Is the money all going on the various announcements for sustainable travel?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Edward Mountain

No—sorry. It is usually me who struggles to hear, cabinet secretary.

I said that £200 million was put into this year’s budget for active and sustainable travel, and I get confused about how active travel and sustainable travel are defined and what is spent between the two. Therefore, I want to know how the £200 million this year will be split between active and sustainable travel and whether the announcements on sustainable travel that you have made with regard to EVs, HGV funds and the rest of it have taken the majority of that money. How much is going to be spent on active travel? That is my question.