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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I will come to Mr Henderson now, because I want to read some more quotes out, and he might want to speak about them all.

I was really surprised that there was such strong criticism from The Promise Scotland, an organisation—[Interruption.] You know about its concerns.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

What I am saying, minister, is that I am going to start reading out a massive list of different organisations that have been highly critical—organisations that I, whether as an Opposition spokesperson or as an Opposition member, expected to be generally supportive of the bill. Some of them were, but they were at pains to tell us how badly you and your officials had consulted them prior to the introduction of this important piece of legislation. If it is such a big personal honour for you, I do not understand how you can now just ignore what they have said.

Before I read out that list, why did you mention the ministerial code? What were you getting at there?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Will you provide the committee with more information about that cross-departmental work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

That is because it has come up so much in our evidence, which is why I had hoped that we would be further on today regarding our deliberations. Do you understand that frustration?

10:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

No, no—if you have seen it, it will quickly come into your consciousness. It says that the bill

“as currently drafted, does not give the same rights to those who left care before their 16th Birthday as those who are aged 16 to 19 years who left care after their 16th Birthday”.

It goes on:

“the Bill gives the lower level of support and protection by way of the restricted rights which are currently available to 19 to 26 year olds under s29(2)”

of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995. That is exactly what Willie Rennie is saying, and people are coming to the committee and telling us that. If they are watching this evidence session today, they will not have taken any comfort from your responses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The minister is not happy with it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

However, it is right to highlight this as an issue of concern.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but did you reach out in response to the concerns about the lack of consultation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The last criticism that I will read out before Mr Henderson comes in is from CELCIS—no, I am sorry; it is from Social Work Scotland. This is a quote from John Trainer, from when he was at the committee:

“the Government did not do sufficient engagement with a range of stakeholders during the development of the bill. That is disappointing. The bill could have been strengthened had the Government engaged across the professional bodies that work to support Scotland’s children, young people and care-experienced adults. It would have been vastly improved if that had happened”.—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 8 October 2025; c 45.]

What do you make of that comment from Social Work Scotland, which was made to this committee on 8 October?