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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Bob Doris

I know that there is a time constraint, but I will check one thing and ask that you answer briefly, although that might be difficult to do. What difference would the ask and act duty make to the best practice that you are sharing with us? Will it relate to housing associations themselves or to their relationship with other public bodies?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. Before I bring Heather McCluskey in, I will throw in my next question, too, because of the time constraints. It would be helpful if you could reflect on this as well, and we would like to hear anything more that you have to say on the relevant bodies for the ask and act duty. How do we make sure that the enforcement and accountability framework is meaningful and substantive but not overly bureaucratic? I throw that in at the end, Heather. We might get very similar views on the bodies from all the witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

I am sorry, but that is what I wanted to get to—that is really helpful evidence for the committee.

Mr Colquhoun, do you want to answer?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

That is very helpful; we will come on to more about that in a second.

I apologise in advance to witnesses for moving them on, because there are a lot of questions to get through. I am trying to get an indication of where witnesses are, and then move on to the next question. The speed of my interactions perhaps came across as a bit rude—I apologise for that, but I am trying to get through the questions.

There is no point in having land management plans unless there is a system of compliance. We can talk a bit more in a moment about what that means in practice. For now, let us assume that there has been non-compliance—I know that it is a big assumption, Mr Macleod, but let us play that game for a wee second. The maximum fine is capped at £5,000. Do the witnesses feel that that amount is about right? Again, I do not have a background in this area, but it feels pretty low to me.

We will come to cross-compliance and penalties in a second, but in relation to direct penalties, is £5,000 too low, too high or about right? Perhaps Gail Watt can start this time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

I agree with all that, but you have not taken a view on the level of the fine. Do you think that the level of fine in the bill would act as an adequate deterrent?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. So you would not have a view on whether, if someone was managing 3,000 hectares, a £5,000 fine in that respect would be affordable to them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. Does Fergus Colquhoun want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

Would you like to see more in the bill in relation to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

That would be really helpful. What does Dr Robbie think?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Bob Doris

Okay.