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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

That is helpful. I think that Murdo Fraser wants to come in at this point.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

You are so well mannered.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

We come to Max Bannerman, who I thank for his patience.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

I thank Alex Kerr for that final question, which allows me to note that, when I sat on the Social Justice and Social Security Committee in the previous session of Parliament, we conducted an inquiry into the funding of the third sector that found that longer-term funding certainty was essential. It will be even more essential now, if third sector organisations are going to be key delivery partners and co-production agents as we go through the public service reform process. We need to ensure that that sector is not neglected. That is a nice point to end on.

I thank Dr MacRae, Stephen Boyd and Stephen Boyle, who has had to head off, for their support this morning. Our discussion took a deliberately broad-brush and scene-setting approach. We will sharpen up our scrutiny as we go but, as Stephen Boyle mentioned earlier, a lot of the information that we need to direct us towards where our scrutiny will be most effective is still to be released by Government. Our witnesses are key scrutiny partners, so I thank them again for their input.

Before we move into private session for agenda item 5, I put on record that next week, on 10 September, we will take evidence on this topic from Ivan McKee, the Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform.

13:01

Meeting continued in private until 13:26.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

I am wondering—and I will make this rhetorical—whether politicians have a responsibility in how we frame this discussion. I will leave that hanging. With that in mind, I pass to Murdo Fraser.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

Stephen Boyd, Murdo Fraser asked a really important question about the fact that, at the moment, we know little about what the announcements that we heard on Tuesday will actually mean—we have very little information alongside the announcements. I am conscious that the First Minister also said that he was not going to be rigid in his approach, but the information is skeletal at the moment. Is there a balance to be struck between putting meat on the bones pretty quickly and retaining flexibility so that the Government can respond to the three-month consultation, which will start in short order?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

A health warning needs to be put on the data—I appreciate that point.

12:45

Public Service Reform Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the third meeting in 2026 of the Public Service Reform Committee. I hope that you have all had a good and positive recess, and I welcome everyone back.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take items 2, 3 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Service Reform Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

Thank you, everyone. That concludes agenda item 1. We will return to public session for agenda item 4, but for the moment, we will move into private.

10:15

Meeting suspended.

11:30

On resuming—

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Bob Doris

There is so much to consider with public service reform. The heft and range of Tuesday’s announcements regarding public service reform were substantial, and we will come on to all of that in a moment. However, first, are there any concrete examples of where public service reform has been done successfully, even on a small scale, since the police and fire service reform that Mr Boyle spoke about? Can you give us some confidence that the Government has delivered successful public service reform in the past 10 or so years?