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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

Good morning.

My understanding is that levels of fraud are relatively low, as far as we know, but there will have to be robust processes and procedures in this country soon anyway, because the legislation will require Social Security Scotland to request that clients provide information for audit purposes. How does the agency intend to use the new powers, proportionately and appropriately, to help to estimate client-induced fraud and error?

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

In the year ahead, we will see completion of the roll-out of the carer support payment, following the pilot. We will also see new pension-age benefits being introduced. I am conscious that the case load for pension-age winter heating payments will be around 1 million claimants. That is far in excess of any other benefit that Social Security Scotland has had to cope with. I am not casting any aspersions, but it is reasonable for us to ask: are you prepared for that, are you confident and is planning going well?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

We would welcome that, Mr MacPhail. I take it from your comments that you are making the point that, although the scale is substantial, the complexity does not give you any concerns at this stage.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Homelessness and Temporary Accommodation

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

Is that in the short term or the longer term? At face value, I can see that a disruption in the longer-term investment programme could cause poorer outcomes in the longer term, but, in the short term, what impact is the cut in the capital budget likely to have on homelessness?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Homelessness and Temporary Accommodation

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. Mr MacRae has mentioned the possibility of a change of Government at Westminster, which is an important point. It is also important to put on the record that any incoming Labour Government has not committed to ending the bedroom tax either. Indeed, Labour brought it in. That is now on the record.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

I apologise for cutting across you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

I suppose that we will get a bit more detail at a later date anyway, but can you give an example of the client information that you might require, not to interrogate an individual but in order to use their data to get a feeling of what fraud looks like among agency claimants more generally? Can you give me an actual example? Then we can move on to the next question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Homelessness and Temporary Accommodation

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Bob Doris

I suppose that it is a financial question, Mr McBride. I take the view that at the point of transition, when a positive outcome is reached, there should be cash from the United Kingdom Home Office and the UK Government to support that transition. The UK Home Office has taken a very different view. That said, though, it is everyone’s responsibility—the UK Government’s, the Scottish Government’s and all Scottish local authorities’, not just Glasgow’s—to get together and do the best they can. If there was more money, could you use that money to find a solution? What would that solution look like in the short term? What conversations are on-going about funding?