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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 13 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

My question is for Mr Phillips but I do not know whether he is still with us.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I will keep it brief, because Joe has touched on quite a lot of what I was going to ask. It is a specific point about red tape, which Dr Williams identified in his submission. I would be interested in hearing your views on how much of the red tape is from the 14 existing territorial health boards and how much is from the Scottish Government. Where does the balance lie on that particular issue?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

That was a quick answer, so I think that I have time for one more quick question. As you identified, social care is a real issue in rural areas, and particularly the Highlands, which I represent. As part of the reforms, how should the Government approach its dialogue and engagement with unpaid carers? That is a huge issue in my region, where there are a disproportionate number of unpaid carers. I am interested in your thoughts on that.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

On what you said earlier about the importance of trust in organisations, obviously, we have just discussed budget silos, but how much of the issue is also influenced by organisational silos? For example, third sector organisations in my region that deliver a service to local people, and that are trusted by local people because they have an identifiable model of delivery that works, find organisational silos in public sector organisations—Government organisations. That is a real problem that those third sector organisations are trying to overcome. How do we get around that, if there is an identifiable problem on the ground?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I will open up the discussion to other witnesses.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I am happy to throw that question out to anybody else who wants to address the point. Otherwise, I am content to move on.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Max Bannerman

Please bear with me, I have a touch of the cold.

I want to talk about implementation on the ground. In an exchange last week, the cabinet secretary referred to budget silos as encouraging an “I’m all right, Jack” approach, with individuals in the same organisation who are responsible for different pots of money taking the view that they are responsible and accountable for only those pots of money and nothing else. I might refer to it as a “computer says no” approach to public service delivery.

Dr Thompson, in your opening remarks, you specifically mentioned that we should put in place deliberative processes when considering implementation on the ground, best practice and how to tackle duplication. Could you give an example of what such a process would look like? What would you like to see?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Max Bannerman

As part of all that, local councils have their statutory responsibilities and the Government has its responsibilities, and funding is separate, but those responsibilities exist and often seem to be in isolation at the moment. As part of the review that you are engaging on with local authorities, is there scope to look hard at those statutory responsibilities and consider whether the money should therefore be looked at again?

I appreciate your point on the council tax revenue-neutral issue, but councils currently have statutory responsibilities that, because they are statutory, they feel that they have to fulfil, but they cannot go beyond that. How will addressing that fit with the organisational work that you are doing?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I want to discuss local government reform with you. The Government has said that it is going to engage in a consultation period with local government and that that process is ongoing. The First Minister said that he did not want to be prescriptive about that, and that he wanted to consult on it. Can you give us an outline of the methodology for the consultation process, and tell us what the Government’s starting point is for that?

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Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Max Bannerman

Is that conversation about structure and geographical boundaries? Is that as far as it goes, or is finance also being spoken about?