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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 13 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Max Bannerman

That is the demand pressure. In terms of a resilience strategy, but also an efficiency and cost-saving strategy, are you confident that what you are doing now is taking into account how that will impact on the public sector? On the budget, which is what we are specifically looking at today, are you confident or satisfied that what your department is producing can go into the Deputy First Minister’s decision-making process? Clearly, this will require a bit of up-front cash to do something for the future.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Max Bannerman

Funding capacity for AI and automation was constrained, and the market has moved during AI procurement. Those are the two specific points, but I just want a broad overview of what you are considering in that area, particularly in reference to the budget. I will then go into some specifics on the evidence that we have heard from witnesses on the benefits of AI.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Max Bannerman

Yes.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I will open that up to the rest of the panel, starting with Helen Malo.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

On that specific point—I was going to come to this later, but you have pre-empted me—a national funding framework for hospices was promised in 2023, if I am correct, but it has not been delivered. Can you put in your own words, rather than mine, the impact on the sector of that failure to deliver?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

I want to ask Kirsty Morrison my original question on the broader theme of how the money flows at the moment and where it should flow.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

Thank you. The written evidence that we have received shows that there is a fairly uniform view, as you just said, that multiyear funding settlements are the preferred route that we should be going down.

Regarding the budget that is coming up, I note that a big part of the public service reform agenda is about cutting through silos. To be fair to him, the cabinet secretary has agreed with that and has made it a focus of his agenda. In its submission, the Fraser of Allander Institute mentioned the top-down approach of the budget, whereby money goes down to the departments and is often siloed into specific budget lines. It then goes down through various layers of bureaucracy until it gets to the likes of your organisations.

Given the redesigns in local government and in health and social care, how could that money reach you and ultimately the service users in a way that is of benefit to all? I am interested in hearing your view on what the Deputy First Minister could do in her upcoming budget to cut through all of those layers of bureaucracy and to get the money to where it needs to go more efficiently, with that service-user end goal in mind?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

Thank you. Kirsty, do you want to respond?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

Good morning. I will focus on the upcoming budget. I have been quite taken by the witnesses’ remarks this morning. A key theme has been how and where the money flows. I want to open that up broadly first, starting with Ian Bruce, who said specifically that. How does the money flow? How should it flow? Will you give me an overview of what you think?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Max Bannerman

We will start with Helen Malo.