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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
I am a Central Scotland and Lothians West MSP.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
Thank you for that answer, which was very interesting. What happens when you have a disagreement with the EHRC? I am thinking of the judicial review on the trans prisoner guidance, on which I believe your organisation was at odds with the EHRC. Could you say something about that, please?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
Thank you. You said that you consulted organisations across the sector. Did you speak directly to your members at the grass-roots level, and would you be able to publish the methodology that you used?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
I completely understand the point about resourcing and timescales. You said that you are a small organisation.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
Thank you for that answer. I think that the key point here is that I fear that we are conflating sexual orientation with gender identity, and the risk of doing that is that the bill will try to get gender identity into law. This is not a protected characteristic. It is a contested ideological belief, and I think we have to be very wary of that.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
Okay. My other point is that we have to look at this in the context of the Cass review, too. I understand your point about pseudo-therapy, but that review said that we should use watchful waiting and explore counselling and therapies with children who suffer gender dysphoria and question their gender. There is a risk that the UK bill will shut down those conversations.
As for your point about where else in the world such a bill has been brought in, the state of Victoria in Australia did so, and it has had a chilling effect on free speech. They are finding that therapists are too afraid to see children who are experiencing gender dysphoria, because they are afraid of being prosecuted. Schools will be more concerned about legal risks, and parents will be afraid of prosecution. I would therefore refer you to Victoria in Australia in that respect. Thank you for your comments.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
Okay, thank you.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
One thing that has come up in our discussion is the ending of conversion practices. Vic Valentine said that it was a priority. I want to explore that a little bit. I want to understand what you understand to be conversion therapy.
Just to provide a little context for my question, my understanding of conversion therapy was that it was what used to happen to lesbian and gay people: the use of torture, electrocution, forced ingestion of poison, corrective rape for lesbians and so on. I think that we all agree that those actions are criminal and despicable. However, my understanding is that there have not been any such cases in Scotland for many years, if at all. Such criminal behaviour is already covered by existing legislation, such as rape legislation. Why are we legislating for something that, to my understanding, is not really an issue?
I have looked at the draft Conversion Practices Bill, which I acknowledge is UK Parliament legislation. The danger is that we are at risk of criminalising normal conversations between parents and teenagers, which could have a very chilling effect on free speech.
Let me give you an example, and I speak as a mother as well as a politician. Parents of a teenage girl who seeks testosterone that will harm her and potentially kill her, and who seeks a double mastectomy, might be too afraid to explore the reasons why she feels that she needs it. I ask that question because the bill ought to terrify parents, especially given that a lot of contested ideology is being taught in Scottish schools.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
My question relates to Collette Stevenson’s point about a data gap. Even this early in our discussions, that is surfacing as a key theme. I acknowledge Adam Stachura’s point about data often existing but being kept in inaccessible silos that are all over the place.
However, I want to drill down into a particular area. This is a question for Susan Smith, I think. It relates to which official Scottish statistics are still mixing sex with gender—and the operative word here is “mixing”. We would probably all agree that the two things should be recorded, but separately, so my question is about the mixing or the conflation of those things, and how that misleading data is having an impact.
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2026
Amanda Lindsay
It is not going to be brief. I want to ask about funding. I suppose that it is a question for the clerks. Our notes set out what each organisation receives from various grants and the Scottish Government. I want to explore and have on record the percentage of total income the grants represent. I do not know whether that would be part of the record or whether we should discuss it quickly.