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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 9 November 2026
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Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

I would just point out that you are already tracking those who are in care and receive aftercare services, and I am not sure that I see any difference between that and what I am asking for. This sort of thing happens in a huge number of other areas that are not palatable—I am thinking of street homelessness, for example, or the prison population—but we need to get real about this. If we do, we might improve people’s lives in a tangible way and engage more of the public on this matter.

The tragedy behind the Social Work Scotland joint statement in the summer is that there are not enough people to care for, and have loving relationships with, these children. People are not coming forward, and we need to understand why that is and engage the public in that conversation.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

I am encouraged to hear that and happy to work with you on that, because it is one of the biggest barriers. We have overprofessionalised something that is about connection. We need to maximise the connections and create the system around that, but the system still seems to be very inflexible in how it deals with relationships and with regard to how it recognises where people have those relationships with children.

The report by the Oversight Board for the Promise noted that the Government has already produced two implementation plans but that neither have provided the clarity needed on delivery, responsibility, resources or impact. Why will the plan that you will deliver early next year be any different? I also note that the Accounts Commission asked for a plan at the beginning of this year, so we seem to be a year behind. What confidence can you give us that this plan will be different?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

So I assume that by early next year we mean that, in January, we will have what we recognise as a plan of what will happen and by when, who is responsible and what change there will be.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

As Patricia Gibson said, getting teachers in physics and STEM subjects in rural areas has been a problem for a long time. What different incentives are you looking at for local authorities to be able to use to attract teachers to those different areas?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

I highlight the point that, regardless, we are spending significantly less on additional support needs in the classroom to guide pupils through, relative to what we are going to spend on implementing the RCCT policy. Is that not the case?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

Good morning, cabinet secretary. Last week, we had representatives at the committee from two teaching unions and the head of School Leaders Scotland. David Barnett, the general secretary of School Leaders Scotland, noted that existing staff shortages will be exacerbated by implementing the reduction in class contact time policy. He was mainly talking about secondary schools in particular rural areas, and he said that 18 schools have only one part-time physics teacher. If we give those teachers less class contact time, there will be nobody else who can teach physics. How will we fill those gaps in provision?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

Okay, good.

Lastly on this issue, I have talked to you a few times about the difficult issue of the premature death rate of care-experienced people. The chair of the Oversight Board for the Promise also noted in an open letter the value of our knowing that, and you wrote a letter to him and to our party on that after a question to the First Minister last week. From your letter, I understand that the people we track are children in care and those in receipt of aftercare services. However, a huge number are not in receipt of aftercare services when, unfortunately, they die prematurely. I now know that we have the technical mechanisms by which we could do it, so will you commit to tracking and publishing the premature death rate of all care-experienced people as soon as practically possible, and is it in your budget plan?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

In principle, are you interested in pursuing and finding out that information?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

I will go back a bit in order to ask a question on education. Has there been any dialogue with pupil support assistants about what they see as a priority for improving education?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 6 October 2026

Duncan Dunlop

I asked only because we are good at listening to voices and sometimes assume that we have heard the pupil’s voice in the story, but pupil support assistants are concerned about getting the representation that they need as a profession so that they can further professionalise, because they are low paid in relative terms, have part-time contracts and often only work in the school term, yet they play crucial roles in developing individuals. We must ensure that we hear their voices, because we sometimes hear very strong points from teaching unions, which I do not criticise, but we need to ensure that oxygen is sometimes given to the pupil support assistant sector too. I was just querying whether that engagement had happened.