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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 3 October 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Joe Fagan

The size of the overall public sector workforce has increased, though, has it not?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Joe Fagan

Yes, well, I do not—

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Joe Fagan

I do not think that the IPPR’s concern was so much that you are intending to go back to austerity. However, it feels like, instead of our sleepwalking back into it, we are hurtling towards it, unless you can convince this committee and others that there is a plan for service improvement attached to these overall figures.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Joe Fagan

I am glad that I declared my interests earlier. Does the 0.5 per cent reduction target apply to local government?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Joe Fagan

Are you expecting local government to make a 0.5 per cent reduction in its workforce or a 4 per cent reduction in its non-front-line workforce?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Joe Fagan

The question that I am leading up to is this: when it comes to the lens through which we view public service reform, are we putting too much of a focus—or, rather, is the Scottish Government putting too much of a focus—on fiscal sustainability? Should there be more of a focus on how we drive social change and the outcomes around that? In my view, that is where the real meat of the public service reform issue sits.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Joe Fagan

I will go back to something that we dealt with earlier, but I might broaden out my questions after that. From looking at the evidence that we have gathered on the deliverability of the targets, I would say that it is mixed or heavily caveated. I am curious about your takes on the target of a 0.5 per cent reduction in head count and the £500 million figure that has been attached to the reform agenda. I know that that is where we started, but I want to come back to each of you on that. How achievable is it?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Joe Fagan

I come back to my broader question. I do not know whether Dr MacRae has had a chance to speak yet.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Joe Fagan

I want to keep this brief, but my concern about the target relates to the rising demand that the strategy and the programme for government identify. How smart is it to set a head count reduction target without doing more to quantify demand? It seems that there is a mismatch there, which takes us into the real meat of what public service reform should be doing. Do you have any quick observations on that before I come to my main question?

Public Service Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 18 June 2026

Joe Fagan

I am a councillor on South Lanarkshire Council.