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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 8 November 2026
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Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

Joe Long wants to ask about workforce.

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

I want to pick up on John Lunn’s drastic figure on swimming. The Scottish Government has said that every primary school child will get free swimming lessons. I am old enough to remember when that already happened, and it happened for my children, so I do not know at what point that changed. Maybe I was just lucky where I lived, but I thought that that was standard.

How are the facilities for that commitment going to be provided? Is there a way to bring in significant capital spend in order to take that goal to fruition?

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

What is the plan? Do they get 10 weekly lessons? Is the aim to get everybody able to swim, given that we live in a country where people can fall into water or might wish to go into water? Is that the kind of model?

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

I realise that that is optimistic.

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

Professor Knapp, do you have experience in relation to that?

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

As we have discussed, a lot of people do not think that health boards being given responsibility for social care is a great thing—some of us might think that they are struggling enough with their current responsibilities.

We could flip the issue on its head. Should responsibility go back to local authorities? Should health boards be coterminous with local authorities? Should local authorities have oversight of both budgets, because, to an extent, they are charged with picking things up when health boards fail? I am ignoring IJBs at the moment, because they are kind of in between health boards and local authorities, so we could deal with that issue, too. The First Minister has already decided that there will be a single authority for the islands of Scotland. Would that not work on the mainland? What is the difference?

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

Yes, but we are getting the reorganisation anyway and our evidence is limited.

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

Paul, you wanted to come in.

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

Would other witnesses like to comment on the specific point about arm’s-length external organisations?

Health, Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Helen McDade

I have a question, which I exclude Mr Lunn from, and you will see why in a minute. This question is particularly for sportscotland and the Scottish Sports Association. Assuming that there is very little money around and that everything we want for swimming pools and other facilities is not forthcoming in the next few years, are there sports or physical activities that would be cheaper and that do not need such a lot of facilities? We are talking about prevention and getting people to do healthier things. We are particularly looking at keeping schoolchildren in sport, and girls doing sport is obviously an issue.

It is not a suitable activity for youngsters, but I am, for instance, thinking about open water swimming, which has expanded since Covid, and which people like me who have not swum for 30 years or whatever have taken up. I can see the women around me getting fitter. They lose weight and they get fitter. It is that simple.

I am looking beyond the two obvious things. Swimming is great, and football is very popular among women as well. It is the fastest-growing sport, I believe, but what is there that everybody can do that we could think about? We are talking about the poorer areas with less access. To be honest, certainly when my kids were young, if you did not have a parent who drove and could take you to things, you were not going to be in the girls’ football club or whatever, but there must be other activities. Running is an obvious one. The run in the park is another example. I am interested in other examples.