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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Education and Gaelic Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Do you agree that the landscape is crowded due to all the different organisations and funding streams? They are all designed to help in different ways, but they muddy the waters, which means that things get lost.

Education and Gaelic Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Looking at it from the outside, the system seems hugely bureaucratic, which can only create barriers for the people who we need to help and the people who are trying to help them.

Education and Gaelic Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

It is about recruitment and retention.

Education and Gaelic Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

I will ask one more question if I am allowed to. Mr McKinlay, at the end of your submission, you talk about the challenging environment and disinvestment—I am sorry if it was not you who wrote that but somebody else from your organisation. The submission says that we will need to make

“difficult choices”

that

“may require disinvestment from approaches that are no longer delivering sufficient value to release resources for prevention and earlier support.”

Can you be specific? I know that you spoke earlier about structural change and incentives, but can you give us a bit more detail or be more specific about which approaches no longer deliver sufficient value?

Education and Gaelic Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Can I have one last question, convener?

11:00

Education and Gaelic Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 8 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

This is my final question. There is a lot of emphasis on Gaelic, which is to be welcomed by the committee and more broadly. There will be workforce issues involved in achieving this, but is the Government’s ultimate goal for Gaelic to have parity with modern languages in secondary schools, so that any child, in any school, who wishes to study Gaelic in the same way that they might study French, Spanish or German will have that opportunity?

Education and Gaelic Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 8 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

I have a couple of questions about what happens in schools. First, there is the new probationer offer. To me, it is pretty gold standard in offering three years of secure employment, one of which is the probationary year, and it is a really positive development for people who are thinking about entering teaching. However, I suppose that every benefit might bring a cost. One of the concerns that has been raised is what the probationer offer means in terms of employment prospects and permanent contracts for people who are currently qualified and looking for such contracts, but who find that a lot of the capacity is taken up with the three-year probationary placements that are being given. What discussions have you, as cabinet secretary, had with local authorities about managing that?

Education and Gaelic Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 8 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Can I ask a question?

Education and Gaelic Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 8 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

My question is slightly related to what the cabinet secretary just said. You have spoken a lot about the very good work that the Scottish Government is undertaking to improve the life chances of less advantaged children. We have heard successive education ministers and other members of the Government talking about closing the attainment gap. What is your response to the view that it is really difficult—some would say impossible—to close the attainment gap?

Although the ambition to narrow the attainment gap is one that everybody should strive for, some argue that it cannot be fully closed, because children start from very different circumstances. Despite Government mitigation measures and the good work that is done to level the playing field, some children have very difficult—even chaotic—home lives, while others have highly supportive parents. Given the vastly different circumstances into which children are born, is it possible to close the attainment gap?

Education and Gaelic Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 8 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

I will ask a slightly different but related question, sticking with the theme of what happens in classrooms. I have already raised the issue of mobile phones in schools with you. There is not a teacher in the world who would not be happy to see a ban being given statutory underpinning. However, teachers have contacted me about the issue, and my concern relates to the caveats and opt-outs that we know there will be.

There are two concerns about the proposal. The first is that there will be so many opt-outs that it will, in effect, become meaningless. The second is that, if the policy is to be enforced, schools will face pushback, whether it be from pupils, parents or both. Should that happen, schools will need to know what their position is and what powers and sanctions they can use to—I am going to say the word—force compliance. There needs to be compliance if the policy is to mean anything, and that needs to be consistent across the country.

Are any discussions being held among schools, the Scottish Government and local authorities about giving schools the powers that they will need to enforce the mobile phone ban in the way that will be required, so that they can create a better climate for learning and teaching?