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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 21 September 2026
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Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

I want to go back to the workforce capacity issue, which was a big theme in Social Work Scotland’s written submission. I suppose that this question is for you, Ben, because you repeatedly talk about it in the submission. We know that there are workforce issues in a range of sectors, and the care sector seems to suffer from them at all levels. Do you have any ideas about what can be done to tackle them?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Are we training enough social workers?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Do you agree that the landscape is crowded due to all the different organisations and funding streams? They are all designed to help in different ways, but they muddy the waters, which means that things get lost.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Looking at it from the outside, the system seems hugely bureaucratic, which can only create barriers for the people who we need to help and the people who are trying to help them.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

It is about recruitment and retention.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

I will ask one more question if I am allowed to. Mr McKinlay, at the end of your submission, you talk about the challenging environment and disinvestment—I am sorry if it was not you who wrote that but somebody else from your organisation. The submission says that we will need to make

“difficult choices”

that

“may require disinvestment from approaches that are no longer delivering sufficient value to release resources for prevention and earlier support.”

Can you be specific? I know that you spoke earlier about structural change and incentives, but can you give us a bit more detail or be more specific about which approaches no longer deliver sufficient value?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Can I have one last question, convener?

11:00

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

Do any of the other witnesses want to come in on that?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

The challenges that you have highlighted run right across the care sector and affect all age groups.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 15 September 2026

Patricia Gibson

We have heard a lot of frustration, including from the witnesses, about the disjointed operations in relation to the Promise. There are multiple funding streams for various things that are all worth while in their own right. We have a crowded landscape and we need a holistic approach, which a few of you have talked about.

Audit Scotland has pointed out the data gap on several occasions. That point has also been made in some of your submissions. If we do not have data, we cannot measure what we are doing, how we are doing it or how close we are to getting to what we want to achieve. Without data, we cannot measure anything. What are the barriers to capturing the data that we need, so that we can measure what we are doing and how much further we have to go?

It strikes me that we have all these different organisations and, thrown into that mix, we have 32 local authorities. Perhaps none of those organisations or local authorities are working together and talking to each other as they should. Would a national database that tracks and monitors the progress of children through the system help?