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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 28 September 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Thanks for that.

Just so that everybody has had a chance to speak, I will bring in Carol Mochan in a moment, if there are any areas that we have not covered, although we have covered a range of issues.

I am conscious of the time, but, on that specific point, we hoped to touch on judicial independence and the rule of law. The President of the Supreme Court recently stated that, although

“Populism responds to real problems”,

it can undermine

“support for judicial independence.”

Do you agree with that analysis? The AI question is a space where we can discuss the role of independence. We will not come to any conclusions, but it is one to touch on, reinforcing the point that Holly Bruce has just made.

Does anyone want to come in? Jennifer Paton, is there anything from the Law Society of Scotland on that? Alternatively, Jamie Speirs, Rachael Kelsey or Colin Lancaster can come in—anybody who would like to can jump in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Does anyone else want to come in on this topic?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Thank you.

Carol, did you want to come in on any points? I thought that I would invite you in if you felt that there was anything that we had not already covered.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Rachael, I do not know whether, as a family law specialist, you want to touch on any areas in that respect.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Thank you for that. Jamie, I invite you to add briefly to that. As I said, I will then bring Kate Nevens in. Having said that we had time, I think that we are now in danger of running over, so it would be helpful if you could be brief.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Thank you. We have discussed the importance of the rule of law, and that topic may come up again in our other round-table sessions so that we can explore it a bit further.

Kate, you are welcome to ask any questions that you wish. I note that any member of Parliament is entitled to attend any committee and they may ask questions if there is time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Colin, I will bring you in, and I will then have to wrap up the discussion, I am afraid.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Paul McKinlay, do you want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

Do any of our other witnesses want to come in on that—perhaps Colin, as legal aid was mentioned a couple of times? A couple of members want to join in, but we want this to be a conversation and not just a back and forth.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Justice (Overview)

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Katie Hagmann

I want to jump in on that. When you talked about good lawmaking, you mentioned ensuring that bills match policy intentions, but do you have any advice for the committee with regard to how we might look at the unintended consequences of good law? How would you recommend that we as a committee try to find those sorts of things, given that they are unintended in nature?