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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. We have heard about all the different ways in which you can try to prevent drugs from coming into prisons. Since the introduction of those measures, such as X-ray body scanners, have you seen a sizeable reduction in drugs coming into prisons?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

In our inquiry, we had the opportunity last week to sit in private and listen to the experience of former prisoners. That evidence has changed my perspective a little and it has been very valuable.

Drugs are a huge issue for the management and the officers, and that has made the job more difficult, as well as being difficult for prisoners who do not want to bring in drugs. However, as Gillian Walker said, there is the issue of boredom. One thing that was said, which struck me, was that, for some, it is about escaping the reality of what they have done and about the fact that it can take a long time for them to come to terms with their crimes. I had never really considered all those things.

It strikes me that, at the moment, prisons almost seem to be centres for drug rehabilitation. One comment was that there should perhaps be some dedicated provision in the SPS for those who want to get off drugs. I ask about that in the full knowledge that this is not the time because there is severe overcrowding and we are still waiting on the new prisons being built. However, in an ideal world, has the SPS ever considered that there should be more dedicated units in the SPS for those who want to enter rehabilitation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I want to ask about the future capacity of the SPS.

As I am sure is the case for the witnesses, I remain very concerned that, in Scotland, prisoners who serve their time for the crimes that they have committed cannot always serve it in a drug-free environment; I am especially concerned about how that affects those who were not on drugs when they went into prison. That is a national concern, which I am sure that the witnesses share.

In the previous evidence session, a question came up about the capacity of the new Barlinnie prison. I understand that the capacity of Barlinnie is 900, although prisoners double up at the moment. I think that the new prison will have 1,300 places or thereabouts, which is an increase of about 400 places.

Will the witnesses clarify that? What will the increased capacity be when the new Barlinnie comes online?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Can you remember a time when drugs were not such a big issue in the Scottish Prison Service?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

An important factor is the spin-off of having prisoners on those kinds of drugs, and the impact on their mental health makes it even harder.

I asked the Prison Officers Association about the suggestion that drugs get into prisons through either the coercion of prison staff or their being offered possible financial benefits. You probably heard the POA’s response to that, which was something that I had not thought about. If staff spot something that does not look right, they report it in the interests of self-protection and staying safe. There is not a high prevalence of what I am talking about, but it would be helpful to get your comments on it.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I understand that. That is what I am getting at. However, we have to be hopeful. The Government is not doing nothing. Something is happening. I caveat this heavily by saying that the prison population could again go up above 8,000, so it could use up the space that you have.

I would just like the reassurance, which you might not be able to give, that we are thinking ahead to a point at which we might be able to alleviate some of the pressures in 2027 or 2028 and beyond.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Yes—I want to ask Marianna Marquardt a question.

You talked about trauma and boredom, which are running themes. The committee has been exploring issues around the availability of rehabilitation programmes and individuals having things to do in prison. I get a lot of letters from prisoners who say that they are not getting access to rehabilitation. We know that prisoners are spending too long in cells because of overcrowding. Is it time to try to solve that side of the problem by giving them things to do and to aim for? That could make a difference to the demand for drugs in prison.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Giving prisoners something to do is not just about rehabilitation. You talked about boredom. Presumably, if we are interested in getting people off drugs in prison, ensuring that they have something to do might be an aspect to look at. Is it fair to say that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

From memory, the figure that we currently have for capacity at Barlinnie is 900. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I used the example of drugs, because we have been hearing about that.