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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Excellent.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The deadline for reporting is 27 October. As we have nothing further to do in public, I bring the public part of the meeting to an end.
10:19 Meeting continued in private until 10:34.Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
No, that is fine. Edward Mountain, do you have any questions?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Annie Wells, and we are joined by Edward Mountain as her substitute—good morning, Edward.
Under agenda item 1, does the committee agree to take in private item 6, which is on guidance on legislative consent?
Members indicated agreement.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The Scottish Government will monitor it.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Would it be correct to say that, if we look at the events that are going to happen next year and the year after, the 372-day period will take us just beyond the scheduled council elections but is more than the six months that would mean that there was no need for a by-election if the resignation was in that period? It captures the six months-plus to the election at Holyrood.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Expenses were excluded from all of this—we have discussed that issue with regard to the House of Lords. We are looking specifically at salary, so the question about the implementation of expenses falls to be organised between IPSA and this Parliament’s corporate body. The question of expenses rests outside the purview of this Parliament anyway in relation to Westminster; it could be addressed only in relation to expenses in this Parliament.
Am I right to go back to the confirmation that you gave last time, that the corporate body is able to deal with this through our expenses system instead of by trying to pursue someone who is outwith our remit? Is that fair?
10:00Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Excellent. Ruth, is there anything else that you want to ask?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
So, you are seeking the authority through the SSI to amend or redefine the statement in the 1998 act that there needs to be “provision for the payment”?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Sorry, I realise that it will not change the mechanism. What I am concerned about is the ambiguity in wording. One provision places a duty to pay and the other is, in effect, placing a duty not to pay, by deduction.