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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Unusually, at stage 2 proceedings—I will not say uniquely, but it is certainly rare—an opportunity has arisen for consensus on a route forward, if not on a destination. It would be helpful if space for that was created by all of those who have lodged amendments in this group. Does the member agree with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I welcome that intervention and whole-heartedly agree, which is why I referred to the challenge that is posed by restricting it to those who have recent experience of undertaking qualifications. That person who stays quiet at the back of the class and knows how to turn in on themselves in order to avoid confronting challenges or being asked difficult questions is the very person who should sit on a learner interest committee, as they can say why it is challenging.

The committee’s format, and the outreach to young people, have to be appropriate. It cannot involve sitting around in a committee room such as the one we are in and saying, “Well, what do you think of it?” That is a challenge, but we have the pedagogical and social skills to interact and engage with young people to get the very best from them. Hopefully, their contribution will be more than just five seconds—it might take longer than that to make it happen, but it is important that we listen to them.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Can the specialism, expertise and brilliant support given to committees offset the lack of expertise among MSPs who sit on committees? Is that a safe counterbalance, or should MSPs have a level of expertise in relation to committee work?

I do not know who wants to have a go at that question.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Our second item is the second in a series of four oral evidence sessions in our committee effectiveness inquiry. The inquiry is seeking to answer the question of whether changes to the Parliament’s procedures and practices would help committees to work more effectively. Our call for written views from political parties, committees and individual members of the Scottish Parliament closes on Friday 4 April. The call for views from the public runs until Tuesday 22 April. Today, we are seeking to explore committee effectiveness in the context of the culture of the Scottish Parliament, as well as to gather broader perspectives on issues that were raised in our previous session, on 20 March, which focused on how committees are viewed externally and how their impact is evaluated.

We are joined online by our committee inquiry adviser, Dr Danielle Beswick. I welcome the members of the panel: Professor Paul Cairney, professor of politics and public policy at the University of Stirling; Dr Tom Caygill, senior lecturer in politics at Nottingham Trent University; Ken Hughes, former assistant chief executive at the Scottish Parliament; and Professor Cristina Leston-Bandeira, professor of politics at the University of Leeds.

This is a round-table evidence session. Although there will be the usual approach of questions from members to witnesses, it is intended that there will be opportunity for discussion between the witnesses in order to encourage a more open and free-flowing session. There is no expectation that all witnesses will answer all questions. Anyone who wishes to come in on a question or on a response made by another witness should indicate that and I will bring you in at the appropriate moment.

We move to questions, and it falls to me, as convener, to kick things off. My opening gambit is to Professor Cairney. I know that you have done a huge amount of work on Government legislation and on the valuability of achievement of the scrutiny of that legislation. In the past, you have been critical of the effectiveness of that scrutiny. Does that view still stand, or have you seen changes that have improved things? Perhaps you have seen changes the other way.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

It was constructive.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Thank you, Ken. That helps, because it means that I can again remind people that the public call for views in our inquiry is open until Tuesday 22 April.

I put the same question to Cristina Leston-Bandeira.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

You are the bellwether in the seminar, Tom.

Cristina, you have already mentioned the Danish Parliament, which is not dissimilar to the Scottish Parliament. Are there any other examples of places that we can look at to see the importance of the cultural connection in committees as one piece of evidence that a committee is successful?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will go back—I am sorry, Paul, do you want to come in?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will not put that to the committee at the moment, if that is all right. I am conscious of the time, so we will move on to the questions on conveners.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I thank the witnesses very much for their contributions today. I reiterate my comment that, if thoughts come to you afterwards, even while you are on the way out today, you should please feed them back to the clerks.

That brings the public part of the meeting to a close.

10:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:16.