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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

You anticipated my next question. Do you welcome your level of flexibility or, as an explainer, is the 10 or 5 per cent rule much easier for people to understand, even though they may not agree with it?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is fine—very sensible. I am coming to the end of my questions—I hope that you will be disappointed to learn that, but I fear that you will not.

The regional rules are much more explicit than the constituency rules. They are far easier to understand, because we have to group entire constituencies into the regions. Sue Webber prompted a discussion earlier about the challenge that then comes for local authorities, where part of a local authority area is in one region and the rest of it is in another region. That adds to my previous point about one MSP representing a constituency in three different local authority areas, because we could have up to 15 other MSPs interested in an issue. From a purely administrative, common-sense point of view, that is a very big round table to bring together to discuss problems—let me put it that way.

Do you have any comments on the consequences of the choices that are made by Boundaries Scotland? The effect on local authorities is not part of your tests—you need not take account of that if you follow the four rules—but are you conscious of that effect and do you have any concerns about it?

14:00  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Here is a strange question that I do not know the answer to. When you are considering that, do you think only of the constituency MSP, or does the availability of list MSPs—even though they have not been identified at the point—feed into the “inconveniences” category?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

So they were separate decisions rather than what people perceived, which was that, because the South Scotland numbers were low, you needed something to go in it to get the numbers up—or, indeed, the other way around.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will ask my final questions. You are undertaking a lessons learned exercise, which will fill a huge amount of your time. In that exercise, will you consider how to preserve the institutional memory of the challenges that have happened? To put it politely, I think that the institutional memory from the earlier boundary changes was possibly lost. I am not saying that it was a whole new learning curve—absolutely not, because I know that huge amounts of work went into the process. However, the question is how you capture and preserve the lessons learned so that, next time, the process runs even more smoothly and successfully, with a better understanding from the electorate of what is happening.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

The digitised boundaries that fit in—absolutely.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Putting automaticity to one side, would you like to see anything change before the next go around this circle, particularly with regard to the Holyrood boundaries? Given that we have eight years—who knows—what would your wish list be?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I thank you very much for coming in and giving evidence; we will now move into private to consider it. Thank you for sharing so fully the journey of the current boundary reviews, which I hope that we are coming to the end of.

14:12 Meeting continued in private until 14:25.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I want to look into what should and should not be in the legislation and the suggestion that it should be iterative. The Government is content for the process to sit in primary legislation. The suggestion in the Government’s memorandum is that there should be provision to extend the occasions when it may be triggered and that we should leave an opportunity open for that to appear, presumably through secondary legislation. Is that correct?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I move on to a challenge that we have heard a lot about, which concerns the parity between the routes of being elected regionally and being elected as a constituency MSP. Graham Simpson has said from the outset that, under his bill, there should be parity between all MSPs, because there is parity when we come into this place and take our seats in the chamber, irrespective of how we arrived there. What is the Scottish Government’s view on that? MSPs are all the same when we are sitting in the chamber, but does parity also relate to the journey that we took to get here, via the regional list or the constituency list? Can we say that there absolutely is parity in the chamber but that there is no parity for the purposes of how we travel here—which there is not?