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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

I think that a lot of my points have now been covered. I am looking at the recommendations in the report. Upon completion of investigations by the PIRC, the organisation regularly issues recommendations to the police to encourage change and improvements to practices. In 2023-24, the PIRC issued 265 recommendations and 92 individual or organisational learning points. Do you monitor the implementation of the recommendations and follow up non-compliance? If so, can you tell us more about how you do that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

Yes. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

That is one of the pinch points and there is still more work to be done on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

It was possibly a safe space for 24 hours.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

I have questions that are probably on the same lines as Katy Clark’s. We heard in the previous and really interesting evidence session about the significant work that was going on, and the assistant chief constable told us that she was heartened and encouraged by the partnership working that was taking place. However, we also heard about services that ran only Monday to Friday, and we were told about physical spaces that needed multidisciplinary staff but which health would not fund.

Obviously we are getting to a crucial point now, and I am sure that you are having regular discussions about your budget, but I feel that a lot of this particular budget should be covered by health, to ensure that your police budget is spared. What conversations have you had in that respect with the health secretary and his team in order to alleviate the pressure on the police? Can you share with us any of the conversations about the work that he and his team are doing? Are you happy that they are implementing measures that will provide the sort of 24/7 service that the police force gives?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

That was another question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

They could sleep it off overnight, and they were probably not all charged in the morning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

From the evidence, it seems that one of the conversations that still needs to happen through the partnerships and collaborations is about who actually pays for this. We spoke earlier about physical spaces and multidisciplinary staff, but we also heard that the health service will not pay for those. It sounds as though this is a health problem that the police are having to pay for. As the Criminal Justice Committee, we want to get those conversations concluded so that the police can go back to policing.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

I am sorry, but I am not talking about carving out or taking somebody else’s budget. My question is whether they are making the best use of their budget. For example, the Scottish Police Federation has said in its evidence that anyone who is in crisis but

“under the influence of alcohol will not be”

assessed

“by a medical professional”,

so police officers will be required to wait with them. While the police are sitting with people who are under the influence of alcohol, we have other constituents who are sitting complaining about antisocial behaviour. That sort of thing is taking the police away from their role, which is policing. From the conversations that you have had with other cabinet secretaries and among the group that you chair, do you think that they are doing enough? Are you seeing actions that are helping to alleviate that particular pressure on the police?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

In some areas.