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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is one of the big issues that I am dealing with right now, in the West of Scotland region. Parents are complaining to me and saying that, especially in relation to the single-sex toilets in every school, there seem to be different sets of guidance and policies, even though the policies are set from Holyrood. The difficulty comes from how the schools interpret the policies and guidance and pass them on. Have you heard of that?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Nicky, there is another area that you may not know about or that you may have read about in the media, which is how we can ensure that women are not strip-searched by men. I think that that has come up in England. Does Police Scotland have policies on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. That is all from me, convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Will that guidance be out this year?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Andrew. It is great to hear that you are providing for everybody and that you are ahead of the curve.

You said that you have not come across any issues. I want to ask whether anyone has anything to say on this: we have found that a lot of girls do not go to shared toilets because they feel scared, and some do not go to the toilet all day until they go home. Will you share whether that or anything like that has come up in any of your schools?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for saying that, Nareen. I ran that question by our clerks before I asked you, because I do not want to break any rules.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Martin. I look forward to the outcomes of the group.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Alyia. It is really pleasing to hear that you are ahead of the curve and providing space for different people—not just single-sex spaces but gender-neutral spaces. That is really good.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That is fine—I thought that I would just ask.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good afternoon. I want to come back to the case of Sandie Peggie, which you may have heard me speak about with the earlier witnesses. At a time when our NHS is struggling to recruit and retain staff, what happened in that case is the last thing that we need. Women need to feel safe at work, so why would they want to take a job where they are forced to strip naked in front of men? What are your organisations doing to ensure that we do not have another Sandie Peggie situation? Do you believe that you are complying with the Equality Act 2010? Do you believe that gender self-identification is trumping that act in terms of women’s rights?