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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

The member will have heard me refer to the fundamental reform of universal credit that is required. We need to fundamentally change the current policy, because it does not work. The social security system does not work and it needs to be changed. Forty per cent of claimants are in work, which is why we need a new deal for working people. We need better wages and a national minimum wage that is a real living wage that will lift people out of poverty. Crucially, we need to get people back into work—

Meeting of the Parliament

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I talk about fundamental reform of universal credit because that is what I believe in. However, unfunded spending commitments cannot be made, because working people will pay the price.

Let me remind Mr Doris of the Scottish National Party’s position on the abolition of the two-child cap. Shirley-Anne Somerville said—[Interruption.]

Meeting of the Parliament

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Shirley-Anne Somerville said:

“It’s not our policy to alleviate the two-child cap.”

Perhaps that is a straight answer for Mr Doris’s constituents.

I had more to say about debt. Aberlour Child Care Trust’s excellent briefing for the debate points to the vicious cycle of debt, which is pushing people into more and more poverty. We need to take action. All members need to take action to support our local authorities and national institutions to alleviate that debt and ensure that people can get out of poverty.

I will draw to a close and go back to where I started. Lifting children out of poverty must be a relentless focus. Tinkering at the edges will not do. We need to fundamentally change how we approach our economy, work and our social security system to ensure that those systems once again improve the life chances of all our people, as they have in the past.

17:32  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Paul Finch, do you want to comment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

If no one else wants to comment on that, I will go on to digital demand responsive transport.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I opened by talking about rural issues, particularly rural transport. For many rural communities, accessing transport that takes you to work or opportunities for various levels of education or sport is a huge issue. I am keen to discuss the potential of digital demand responsive transport. Although it has been highlighted that it should not be a replacement for wider services, it has had a role to play—for example, people will remember that dial-a-bus services were a feature of our transport network for some time. Can you comment on the potential of such transport to support people, particularly in rural communities, who need extra help to get to the various places that I have mentioned?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I just want to expand on the theme that colleagues have been interrogating.

The 2019 act gives local authorities the provision to run services. We have already had some discussion on that, and I appreciate Paul White’s comment about municipality not necessarily being a panacea. We know that local bus services in Scotland have dropped 38 per cent since 2007, and thousands of routes have been lost. Often those routes connect communities to other services such as rail services, but they also help people in rural communities get to and access work.

We have had a four-year delay in the secondary legislation to enable local authorities to explore and take forward much of this work. In your view, what impact has that delay had? Perhaps I can come to Paul White first of all.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

The interesting thing about that is that you have to have access to the technology. Do you see those two things as sitting quite close together? We need to deal with the digital exclusion part as well as making the services available to people.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Mick Hogg, how does digital use affect the rail network and people’s ability to access new services? Is there a concern about people with additional support needs, who may rely on digital but also need human staff there to support them? Do we need to look at both those things?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

On the question of how we might sustainably support services to offer additionality in the core services in bus, rail et cetera, Paul Finch mentioned community transport, and a lot of community transport organisations do an excellent job on additionality but struggle with the sustainability of funding. Do these digital demand responsive services and community services need to become much more involved in mainstream funding instead of just being pilot innovations that do not command confidence?