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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 April 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Minister, thank you very much for joining us for what has been a useful, constructive session. We have had clarity on a number of issues, and we will certainly highlight some points in our report. We very much appreciate your joining us.

I will now suspend the meeting briefly, to allow the minister and his officials to leave.

11:09 Meeting suspended.  

11:11 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you; that would be very welcome.

My final question is also on the views of owners and residents. They have raised concerns about poor communication from the Scottish Government regarding cladding remediation, especially about the single building assessment pilot project. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on that and what you will put in place to improve communication.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before you move on to your next question, Stephanie, Mark Griffin has a brief supplementary.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will now bring in Marie McNair, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for those questions. I will follow up on both of them.

On the funding commitment, you say there will be £41.3 million. I understand that it is demand led and I presume that the fund will increase as the demand increases. However, we heard that there is an estimated cost of £40 million to remediate just one building that we went to see. I am concerned about that number.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Great. I just wanted to make sure that we had a reality check on the scale of the finance that is needed.

On the previous question around the lack of qualified professionals, we heard in an evidence session that Glasgow Caledonian University has a course, which is the only course in Scotland, but it is due to come to an end. I would be quite concerned about that if we need to bring on more professionals.

We also heard that people are going to England because work is moving ahead more quickly there. How do we ensure that we have a sufficient pipeline of people who can take on this work? We have this emergency bill and we are taking evidence quickly so that it can move forward but, if we do not have the professionals, we will run into a problem.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

The next agenda item is to consider four negative instruments. There is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendations on negative instruments.??Do any members have any comments on them?

As there are no comments, does the committee agree that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, we will take evidence on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill from the Minister for Housing, Paul McLennan, who is joined in the room by Scottish Government officials Kate Hall, director, and Rachel Sunderland, deputy director, from the cladding remediation directorate; and Micheila West, from the legal directorate.

I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement, after which I will turn to questions from members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

We know from what we have heard from owners and residents that one of the key challenges for them is the difficulty that they face in obtaining insurance and in selling or remortgaging their property. It is not clear from the evidence that we have heard that an approach that involves responding to the challenges of cladding alone, and not responding to the wider fire safety issues, will precipitate a change in the situation. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thank you very much. We might take that further, because we maybe heard something a little different in our evidence sessions. Maybe we will highlight that in our report.