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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. This has been another rich panel discussion. It has worked well in getting more detail from your perspectives, so I thank you all for coming to share your thoughts with us.

As agreed at the start of the meeting, we will now move into private session.

12:43 Meeting continued in private until 12:50.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that.

I am going to start with the general question that I have been asking at the beginning of each session. What are the main challenges for the local government workforce at the moment? I will start with Fiona Whittaker.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that response. I remind everybody that we have about 10 minutes left of the session, although we have some flexibility to go over a little bit. I invite everyone—both my colleagues and our witnesses—to try to keep questions and responses as tight as possible, because we are not even halfway through our questions. Quite a few of the things that we want to ask may have already come out in previous questions, but there is some detail that we want to get to.

I want to pick up on absence rates. The Accounts Commission highlighted that recruitment challenges and high sickness absence levels are a considerable source of pressure for councils. In 2021-22, the overall absence level for non-teaching staff was the highest on record, at an average of 12.2 days per employee. What do you think are the key drivers of that increase and what can local authorities do to support staff to reduce levels of absence?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is really helpful to unpack that more and get that detail.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Willie. Before I bring in Pam Gosal, I have a very direct question on an issue that Linda Somerville and Johanna Baxter touched on. Johanna, is the gender pay gap improving?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. We will move on.

We discussed absence rates with the previous panel, and Sean Baillie told us about the “snowball” effect. Johanna Baxter spoke about the fact that local government records absentees in different ways and called for more consistent reporting. What do you think are the key drivers of the increase in absence rates? What could local authorities do to support staff to reduce rates of absence?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is great. I thank everyone for their responses. I call Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Could you ask it here as well?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

There is some work to be done to find that detail.

That concludes our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming in this morning and sharing their perspectives in that discussion about the local government workforce in Scotland.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:12 Meeting suspended.  

10:16 On resuming—