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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Should the parties themselves appoint the conveners? That, in itself, is problematic, from my perspective.

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I think that the issue relates to the nature of committees, particularly with regard to their responsibilities in scrutinising legislation.

I will be very brief, to please the convener, whom I like to please.

I was a member of a select committee in the House of Commons that was chaired by Rachel Reeves. Rachel was a brilliant convener, because she said at the outset, “When people who come in front of the committee leave, they need not to have thought once about what the party affiliation of the person on the committee was. They shouldn’t be able to tell the difference between us.” From the evidence and reflections that we have heard this morning, it is clear that that is not the case in our Parliament. I want to understand why. Is it a reflection of the calibre of our MSPs?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is where I am pointing you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Good—they are in the crosshairs.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

It could well be, though, that some of the people who have served at the top of some of those organisations for a long time are simply not suited to leadership in the more transparent and accountable culture that we would all like to see across Government.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Okay. Let me come back to our earlier conversation about teeth.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

No, we will not be bringing up national health service dentistry. We did that yesterday in the chamber, so we are not doing that today.

I am interested in where you feel the current legislation is lacking. You mentioned, with a slight tone of exasperation, some of the game playing in relation to FOI law as it stands. Will you elaborate on where you feel that changes in primary legislation would give you sufficient powers and the leverage that you need to bring about the change of culture that certainly I would like to see?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

Trust in government in general, not just in Scotland but across the United Kingdom, is a pretty crucial issue at the moment. So much has happened that has led people to doubt not competence as much as trust and confidence. It is important that we get this right, for the sake of our democratic institutions and our democratic way of life. That sounds very dramatic, but that is what we are talking about.

I am concerned about your ability to resource that kind of inquiry, however narrow the route into it might be. You have two dozen staff, one office and not a huge budget. Do you have the strength of arms to be able to take on such a broad and fundamental issue as part of your role? I am asking about information, not transparency.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I do not think that you will.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

The application of law.