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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
Given the fact that HES clearly is an organisation in deep trouble and having the equivalent of a nervous breakdown, there needs to be an external intervention. Would it not be better if an independent investigation were to be appointed?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
So, no members of the board are currently suspended, but two senior managers are suspended.
Can I ask you about the four-month period—at least—in which Historic Environment Scotland has had no accountable officer? Just revisiting the topic of suspension, it has been widely reported that the chief executive is suspended. Can you say whether that correct?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
So did Katerina Brown recently return to work?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
That is why I am asking.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
These issues have been hanging over Historic Environment Scotland for a very long time, and there does not seem to have been any action to address the concerns. There is a catalogue of concerns. While some of those concerns are in the public domain, some of them are not, but some members of the committee have become privy to them through whistleblowers.
I am deeply concerned about the lack of an urgent approach to tackling the culture issues inside HES. I am not sure that it is fair to expect Audit Scotland to be the independent investigator on those matters, although you rightly highlight that that is one of the points that are mentioned in the section 22 report remit. I put it to you, Sir Mark, as the new broom, that something more fundamental needs to be done.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
I have two last questions for Andrew Davis before I give way, the first of which is about how many times in the past four and a half years the HES board has met the Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture. In that period, how many times has the board had a meeting with the cabinet secretary?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
Is it correct to say that the new business model predates Katerina Brown’s appointment?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
However, Stephen Boyle says in his letter that you were operating without an accountable officer. He is correct, is he not? That is one of the bases for the section 22 report.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
She was clearly not. In Audit Scotland’s letter, that is one of the issues that is highlighted as promoting the need for a section 22 report, which is an extreme measure on the part of the Auditor General.
Did the board discuss at any time during the period when the CEO was out of the business the issue that you were operating without an accountable officer? I have already referred to the Scottish public finance manual. Was that issue discussed?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Stephen Kerr
Did you seek to communicate with the Scottish Government about the issue of the lack of an accountable officer? Did you communicate with the Government? Did you point the issue out to it? Did you ask for a new accountable officer?