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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am just going on what Matthew Sweeney has said, with a great deal of transparency, about what everyone knew was going to happen, which is exactly what is happening.

At this point, I will bring in Bob Doris and then ask one last question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are you now giving evidence, or are you asking a question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Michael Marra has a secondary line of questioning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is very useful to hear that. Our next question is from Kaukab Stewart.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Right. I will come back to Bob Doris later. I have made a note of members who want to come back with secondary lines of questioning if we have time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

The extraordinary thing that we have learned from this morning’s evidence session is that this was deliberately designed into the policy. That is something that we should all contemplate.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I have one last question for the last minute. I am always concerned about outcomes. At the end of the day, that is what we have to be focused on—what improves, what changes and how did we do against the objectives that we set ourselves? From this morning, however, it is not clear to me who is doing the measuring of the outcomes over time. I will go round very quickly, and I ask for very short answers to this, please. Who is doing the vitally important work of measuring those outcomes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

As members have no further questions, it falls to me to thank you for attending the committee this morning, minister. Again, thank you for your helpful correspondence in advance of the meeting. I also thank Hannah Graham, Tom McNamara and Claire Montgomery for joining us.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end. We will consider our final agenda item in private.

12:16 Meeting continued in private until 12:42.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Okay. Graeme McAlister, we need to hear from you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I did not catch all of that. You quoted some numbers, Graeme. Will you revisit them and then say what your conclusion was?