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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

I am thinking about your evidence. Are you referring to the flexibilities that exist around 16 and 17-year-olds being sent through the adult justice system? Are you unhappy about that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Are you arguing that those flexibilities do not exist, or are you simply red flagging them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

That is helpful. There was not a yes or no answer after all.

Meg Thomas, do you want to comment further?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

“The Promise” is explicit that under-18s should not be placed in prison-like settings, because they are considered to be deeply inappropriate for children. Clearly, that would include secure settings such as those that are specified in the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Very quickly—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Is anything missing from the bill that would improve outcomes? Obviously, the whole point of young people being put in secure places is that they will go on to lead productive lives after that experience. In that regard, is anything missing from the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Alison Gough raises an interesting point.

I will come to Claire Lunday next.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Those are implications for human resources and the infrastructure itself. The infrastructure is not right.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

There are lots of flexibilities to allow that individual case management.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Stephen Kerr

Alison Gough, what is your view on the change to the definition of a child?