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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Jake Swindells has clearly understood my thought process.

If we take out the use of a dog to flush rabbits, we are then limited to using either guns or nets. I will play devil’s advocate. Why do you not net whenever you are doing a warren? In that way, you would take out the use of guns and dogs, so why not net everything?

I will let Barrie Wade go with that one, because I see that he is smiling wryly.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I want to pick up on something that Ian Duncan Millar said about the community getting together to surround a piece of woodland. One of the issues that I brought up last week with officials was whether it would be better to specify a minimum number of guns as opposed to a minimum number of dogs. If we are being absolutely honest, the bill is trying to stop the situation where a hunt is set up with riders and two guns at either end of a huge plantation and a fox gets through, at which point the hunt can go after it with hounds and horses. That is what the loophole is about, and we are as well to be honest about it. Is there value in a method that specifies a number of guns for a specific area in order to close that loophole, and not limit the number of dogs?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I want to ask about people who carry out your kind of fox control who are not part of your organisation—I know that that happens in other parts of the country. Are you saying that the only people who should have licences are those working under organisations such as yours? If I am a farmer with a fox problem and there is a guy down the road with 15 hounds and we have 15 neighbours, can we flush that fox out? Should only organisations such as yours have a licence?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Sorry, will you say that again?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

So, they would either net or gun, rather than do it with dogs?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

It might not be that short, convener.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

If you are licensing a hunt to control a predator, surely part of the licence should set out that the hunt must have a minimum number of guns for a specific area. That could be worked out by practical land managers, and the loss of hounds or horses—or anything else—would be the penalty for the hunt failing to do that. I would have thought that, if the measures were that strict, hunts would comply with the law.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Hugh, you clearly want to come in.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I promise you that it is very short.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

So, if an illegal act took place on the Queen’s land, the person who perpetrated the act, rather than the Queen, would be liable. Is that what that means?