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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. I very much hope that everybody has had a good summer. We have received no apologies.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is a review of the evidence that we will hear today. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I will bring in Haydn Pasi on the original question about the context of supply and demand. What are the drivers from your perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

On the physical space issue, would it be fair to say that there is a real desire across services to support work in prisons but that there is a practicality issue?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Marianna Marquardt, do you want to come in? We are slightly short of time, but from your organisation’s perspective, do you want to make any comments on the issue of release and the challenges that people face?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Great. Thank you for that. There is lots for us to think about. Lesley, over to you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I suppose that that speaks to some of the issues that came up in the earlier session around knowledge not only of a person’s rights but of advocacy—that is, the importance of an individual for whom there are potential risks associated with non-compliance with an order or programme understanding those risks. That is where advocacy comes in. Should we be looking at that, in relation to not only drug harm but alcohol harm?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Following on from that, we have a set of MAT standards for tackling and addressing drug harm. This is probably quite a crude question, but is there something worth looking at with regard to having a set of MAT standards for alcohol?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I do not want to hog the floor, but I will ask a final question.

The previous panel of witnesses talked about the challenges around release, specifically in relation to access to housing and the continuity of care, and the issues around someone going back into their old environment and peer group that might have been a contributory factor to their going to prison. Are the same challenges associated with alcohol harm?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am interested in what specific support is provided by Upside, the national throughcare service, and other third sector providers for those who use substances—actually, I have gone on to the wrong question and have my numbers muddled up.

Could you tell the committee anything about the prison to rehab pathway? Is it used in practice for those who have alcohol use disorders in prison? What residential and community recovery models are available in the community for people who use alcohol?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Under our next item of business, we will continue our inquiry into the harm caused by substance use in Scottish prisons. Today’s session gives us the opportunity to take evidence from two panels of witnesses with experience of rehabilitation, throughcare and post-release support. I am very pleased to welcome: Gillian Reilly, head of service for the alcohol and drug partnership executive at NHS Scotland; Haydn Pasi, head of the national voluntary throughcare partnership at Sacro; Marianna Marquardt, policy and research officer at Scottish Families Affected by Alcohol and Drugs; and Hamish Robertson, director of data and insights at the Wise Group. You are all very welcome, and I thank you for joining us this morning.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I thank those witnesses who have provided written submissions. I intend to allow up to 80 minutes for this session.

As ever, I will begin with an opening question. The focus of today’s session is, as I said, rehabilitation, throughcare and post-release support, however, I will open up with a general question just to set the scene. I will come to Hamish first and then work across the panel, asking you for your thoughts and comments.

To what extent is substance use in prison driven by supply-side issues—for example, the availability of drugs, illicit medication trading and the lucrative market associated with drug supply in prison—set against the demand-side issues such as boredom, trauma and self-medication? Again, to what extent is substance use in prison driven by that demand and supply effect, and what further steps can be taken to address the supply side specifically?