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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Absolutely. I know, just going by what has happened in South Ayrshire, that 98 per cent of school leavers are currently going into positive destinations: either university or college or employment. However, we need more joined-up thinking between colleges, schools and businesses. Could the Scottish Government be doing anything better to help with that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Yes.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We continue our evidence taking on the inquiry, and I welcome our second panel of witnesses to the meeting. Anna Ritchie Allan is the executive director of Close the Gap; Chris Brodie is the director of regional skills planning and sector development at Skills Development Scotland; and Anjum Klair and Jack Jones are policy officers at the Trades Union Congress. Anna Ritchie joins us in person and all the other witnesses are appearing remotely.

I thank our witnesses for giving us their time this morning and for their written submissions. We estimate that the meeting will run until about 11:30, so each member should have approximately eight to nine minutes to speak to the witnesses and ask questions. I am keen to ensure that everybody gets the opportunity to speak; therefore, I apologise in advance because, if time runs on too much, I might have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interest of brevity.

Will the witnesses briefly introduce themselves?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thanks, Chris. That is helpful.

Does Anjum Klair or Jack Jones think that it is likely that many workers who have taken early retirement over the pandemic will be forced back into the labour market, given the current economic outlook and the cost of living crisis? Have any of those concerns been reflected through the Trades Union Congress membership?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Can I move first to questions from Alex Rowley, then I will come back to you?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I ask Bee Boileau to raise her hand if she can hear me. We have a bit of a technical issue with one of the witnesses’ feeds.

I will move on to questions. As Bee is unable to hear us at the moment, I will start with Jonathan Cribb. Will you provide an idea of what the early retirement trends were prior to the pandemic? Have there been changes to trends previously following global shocks, such as the 2008 recession?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

That is really interesting, and it is one of the issues that we, as a committee, have been considering. That brings me to my next question. Do you think that the shift to early retirement will be sustained as another recession looms, or will the cost of living crisis, the likes of which we have not experienced in more than 40 years, reverse that trend because people will not be able to afford to retire?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you.

We had some technical issues, but I think that Bee Boileau is with us now. Can you hear us, Bee?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We move to questions; I will ask the first one.

My colleague Jim Fairlie brought up this issue during the earlier part of the meeting. I recently visited NHS Ayrshire and Arran to discuss menopausal support for its workforce, because 40 per cent of the board’s workforce is made up of women of menopausal age. Have you seen anything recently that has impacted women’s inactivity in the workforce due to menopause?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We have a couple more minutes left. Does anyone have any further questions? Does Brian Whittle want to come in?