“The 2005/06 audit of James Watt College” <br />“The “2005/06 audit of Inverness College”
Agenda item 5 is on section 22 reports. We will discuss recommendations in private, but members may briefly highlight recommendations and ask questions about facts.
I will briefly introduce the reports. We will then be happy to answer members' questions.
Inverness College is an old story—we have been here before. You said that a new financial recovery plan has been produced. How does it differ from the previous financial recovery plan or the one before that?
As you have identified, this is work in progress. Some fairly significant changes in management occurred at Inverness College following the Audit Committee's inquiry in May 2006. A new principal took up post at that point, which was towards the end of the 2005-06 financial year, on which we are reporting.
So we can soon check against delivery?
Exactly.
The financial recovery plan for James Watt College suggests that a small cash reserve will be achieved by 2010-11. Given that a new acting principal and a new chair of the board of management have been appointed, how confident are you that the college will break even by 2010-11?
The answer is similar to that to Mr Welsh's question. The section 22 reports are about the position at the end of the previous financial year. Our auditors are monitoring that now, but the current financial year ends in just a month's time, so it makes sense to wait for the outturn at that point rather than to second-guess plans that were put in place up to 12 months ago.
When will you see the accounts for this financial year, which is about to end?
We plan to produce for you at the turn of this year a report across the further education sector. That will pick up the financial health of the sector as a whole and specific colleges that have had problems, such as Inverness College and James Watt College, to assure members about the outturn position and to identify any new problems that may have emerged in other colleges since the end of the previous financial year.
The plan at James Watt College is to produce a small cash reserve by 2010-11, which is fine, but a deficit will continue to accumulate between now and then. Unless a big change occurs, even with the expected savings of £1.6 million in 2007-08, a further deficit of £2.3 million will be incurred. That will be on top of the existing deficit of £5.336 million and whatever deficit is incurred in the current financial year, which is as yet unaudited—I assume that it will be at least £2.5 million because savings were not expected. We are talking about a deficit that will amount to 25 per cent of annual expenditure by the time cash savings begin to be generated. Do I have that reasonably square in my head?
That is reasonably square. The challenge for the college is to remove costs or generate income in a way that brings its recurring income and expenditure back in balance while working with the funding council to agree how the accumulated deficit, which may need to increase to take account of matters such as restructuring costs, can be managed.
As the deficit seems to be approaching £10 million, and as there are unquantified restructuring costs on top of that, which might affect any eventual savings, it seems that someone will at some point ask for some massive debt to written off. I cannot see how this can be done; is it possible for an organisation such as an FE college to work down a deficit that is 25 per cent of annual expenditure?
Bold figures such as those suggest that there is a significant problem to be managed. The council has put in place anticipated savings for this financial year, in advance of the financial recovery plan. We have not yet seen how those two things will interact and affect the accumulated deficit. That is always the difficult question around recovery in such situations. The answer is to see what the 2006-07 outturn looks like and what signals that sends for the future recovery plan.
So we will come back to that in the spring.
I am sure that we want both colleges to get back on an even financial keel. Is any account taken in the recovery plans for the two colleges of the impact of the measures on teaching and learning, or is that outwith the scope of this kind of analysis?
That is very much part of the funding council's focus when it works with individual colleges. It is trying to achieve not just financial recovery, but financial recovery that allows the college to keep delivering services to students and employers in the local area, which forms part of the overall strategy for FE in keeping the economy of Scotland developing.
I take it from that that the recovery plans do not indicate any adverse impact on learning and teaching. I am sorry to probe you on that.
The plans aim to manage the impact. It is difficult for us or for the funding council to say that there will be no impact; it is a question of how it is managed, taking into account the available resources and the number of students in the colleges' catchment areas.
I stay in Greenock, not too far from James Watt College. I know how important the college is to the local community, economically and socially. There have been many problems at the college in recent years, and letters from concerned academic staff and students have highlighted various issues.
This will be our third overview report on the further education sector since 2000. The aim for all such reports is to pull together the accounts of all 44 colleges—it is 43 now, I think—to give a picture of the health of each of them and the trends across the sector. We are considering colleges' overall financial performance, how they are performing against the funding council's indicators of financial health and other aspects of the quality of the further education that they exist to provide. We can give you copies of the previous report, for information, if that would be useful. The aim is to pull together a picture for the whole of Scotland rather than ask you to look at 40-odd separate sets of accounts.
A letter that I received says:
I could not possibly comment on the point about power-mad dictators.
If you could find a measure for power madness, perhaps it could be widely applied.
I hope that that would not be necessary, convener.
Your report on James Watt College states:
I do not know. We will update you on that in the overview report on progress at James Watt College and Inverness College.
The previous report mentioned the importance of having a principal who gives a lead. I wonder whether there is an issue about establishing a permanent position.
You are right about the importance of the principal. I do not know the current position at the college.
The situation is worrying. Without bank overdraft support, it is simply advance-fed grants and anticipated savings, which might not be achieved, that will produce a small cash surplus in four years' time. This must be one of the most serious cases before us. Is it possible for the committee to be kept informed as the results come out?
When the committee meets again in September, our auditors will have just started their audit work for the financial year that is about to finish. We can certainly give you an informal briefing on the findings from that work then, and let you know when the audits will be completed.
That would be appreciated.
As agreed, we will move into private session for the remaining items.
Meeting continued in private until 12:11.
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