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Chamber and committees

Education Committee, 09 Nov 2005

Meeting date: Wednesday, November 9, 2005


Contents


Items in Private

The Convener (Iain Smith):

Good morning, colleagues, and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2005 of the Education Committee. I have received apologies from Rosemary Byrne. I hope that some of the other committee members will turn up in due course. At the moment, we are outnumbered by Scottish Executive officials, which is never a good thing.

The first item on the agenda is consideration of whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Item 4 is consideration of witnesses and the committee's handling of the Joint Inspection of Children's Services and Inspection of Social Work Services (Scotland) Bill. I recommend that we take that item in private, so that we can discuss the individuals from whom we may wish to take evidence. Are members content with that?

Yes, that is fine.

Members indicated agreement.

Agenda item 5 is our draft report on the budget. The normal practice of committees, which I would recommend, is to consider draft reports in private.

Fiona Hyslop:

The committee has discussed reports in public when there has been agreement to do so. Obviously, if there are concerns or issues of confidentiality, members raise those matters. However, I do not think that there is anything in the budget report that means that we have to discuss it in private. The committee tries to discuss things in public when it can. I will not go to the wall about it, but that is the committee's history.

I do not have any strong feelings about it.

The Convener:

Lord James, do you have any preference for taking the item in private or in public? As Fiona Hyslop said, there is nothing in the budget report that is particularly controversial, although at this stage it is a report to the Finance Committee.

Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con):

In general, discussion of drafting measures and minor details should be taken in private. That makes for more rapidity and efficiency in dealing with the matter. However, if Fiona Hyslop feels strongly about it, I will not stand in the way on this occasion.

Fiona Hyslop:

I am keen for the Parliament to adopt a more open and accessible approach when it is able to, although I acknowledge the concerns that committee members have raised. However, in this instance, I think that we should take the item in public. It will not take very long.

The Convener:

I agree that it will not take very long.

Good morning, Ken. We are discussing whether to take agenda item 5—our draft report on the budget—in private. Fiona Hyslop does not think that there is anything in the report that needs to be discussed in private. I am asking whether members have any views on the matter.

I would rather that it be discussed in private.

Do you wish to put the matter to a vote, Fiona?

No, I will not put it to a vote.

Do members agree to take item 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.