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Chamber and committees

Subordinate Legislation Committee, 31 Jan 2007

Meeting date: Wednesday, January 31, 2007


Contents


Instruments Subject to Annulment


Instruments Subject <br />to Annulment


Food Hygiene (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/11)

No substantive points arise on the regulations, but there are two minor points that we can raise informally. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.


Prohibition of Fishing with Multiple Trawls (No 2) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2007 (SSI 2007/13)

The Convener:

Members will note that this order replaces the Prohibition of Fishing with Multiple Trawls (No 2) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2006 (SSI 2006/602), which we considered at a previous meeting. The Executive agreed that that order was defectively drafted. The order generally prohibits fishing with more than one trawl, but it allows the use of two trawls in certain specified circumstances. A few points arise, which members will see in the legal brief.

First, are members content to ask the Executive to confirm that the order will be made available free of charge, in the normal way, to recipients of the defective order? We should also ask why the order does not bear an italic headnote to that effect.

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener:

Secondly, we should ask why the explanatory note does not make it clear that the order replaces an order that was defectively drafted. That is important.

Thirdly, we should ask the Executive to explain the purpose of article 3(a), given that the Prohibition of Fishing with Multiple Trawls (No 2) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2003 (SSI 2003/166) was revoked by SSI 2006/602. Also, SSI 2006/602 will come into force at the same time as SSI 2007/13. The point is not in the legal brief, but our adviser says that it would be better for SSI 2007/13 to come into force the day before.

So SSI 2007/13 would come into force the day before SSI 2006/602. Is that right?

Yes. That would be the best way to do it. We could ask about that.

Margaret Macdonald:

Strictly speaking, they should not come into force at the same time. If they do, what effect will that have on the revocation?

We will ask why SSI 2007/13 will not come into force the day before SSI 2006/602.

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener:

The final point is that we should ask the Executive to explain the drafting of new article 3(2) and, in particular, whether "or" rather than "and" should have been used at the end of article 3(2)(c)(iii).

Do members have any other points?

Mr Macintosh:

As with several of the instruments on the agenda, there are queries about accuracy and errors have crept in. However, I am glad that the Executive is listening to the committee and amending instruments in line with our suggestions. It has done so in relation to all the instruments that we are considering today.

Absolutely.


Civil Legal Aid (Scotland) (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/14)

The Convener:

The regulations provide that they may be applied retrospectively, but that does not appear to be authorised under the parent act—the Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986. We have raised the issue of retrospection with the Executive on a number of occasions. Do members wish to raise it again or should we let the matter rest? I think that we should raise it again.

Mr Maxwell:

I agree. The point is still valid. Even if it feels as though we are hitting our heads against a brick wall, it is still worth raising the issue.

I have another point on the regulations. The legal brief, which I am sure is correct, states:

"We observe that it is very unlikely that these Regulations which increase the fees payable to solicitors will be subject to legal challenge."

They are unlikely to be subject to legal challenge by solicitors, but might they be challenged by other people who have a particular view of the legal profession? The legal profession is crawled over by a number of groups that are interested in it and have suspicions about it, so any mistakes in the regulations are worthy of correction. We should not just hope that nobody will ever challenge them. The regulations do something that we all expected to happen anyway.

Shall we ask about that point as well?

What Stewart Maxwell is saying is that, although it is unlikely that lawyers themselves will question the fact that their fees will be retrospectively raised, that makes it more important for us to exercise our public duty.

Okay.

The final point on the regulations is that they have now been amended a number of times. Are members happy to note that and raise it with the consolidation working group when it is established?

Members indicated agreement.


Antisocial Behaviour (Fixed Penalty Offence) (Prescribed Area) (Scotland) Regulations 2007 (SSI 2007/15)

No substantive points arise on the regulations. There is a minor point that can be raised informally.


Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004 (Prescribed Risks) Order 2007 <br />(SSI 2007/16)

No points arise on the order.


Tweed Regulation Order 2007<br />(SSI2007/19)

The Convener:

There are two questions about the order. We could ask the Executive to explain why it chose to use a combination of powers, not all of which are subject to procedure, and why it chose to disregard the requirement in article 36(1) of the enabling order—the Scotland Act 1998 (River Tweed) Order 2006 (SI 2006/2913)—regarding the citation of instruments that are made under that provision.

There is also a small point that can be made informally in a letter.

Mr Maxwell:

In general, I do not think that the combination of powers that are subject to parliamentary procedure and powers that are not will create practical difficulties. It could do, but I doubt it. However, the point remains valid that it is not good practice to use in a single instrument a combination of powers that are not all subject to the same procedure. The exercise of the powers under articles 36, 53 and 68 of the enabling order is not subject to parliamentary procedure so we can do nothing about them. That seems odd, given that we could challenge other powers. There might not be practical difficulties, but the approach is odd and we should raise it with the Executive. It is not good practice.

It is not.