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Chamber and committees

Justice Committee

Meeting date: Tuesday, November 26, 2013


Contents


Subordinate Legislation


Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (Conservation Bodies) Amendment Order 2013 (SSI 2013/289)

The Convener

Under item 3, we will consider three negative instruments that we previously agreed to defer. Time presses.

The Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (Conservation Bodies) Amendment Order 2013 adds one body—the Perth and Kinross Heritage Trust—to the list of prescribed conservation bodies. I hope that that is not controversial. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee is content with the order.

As members have no comments on the order, are they content to make no recommendations on it?

Members indicated agreement.


Act of Sederunt (Commissary Business) 2013 (SSI 2013/291)

The Convener

The Act of Sederunt (Commissary Business) 2013 removes sheriff courts that are closing from the list of places where commissary business can be conducted. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee is content with the instrument. Do members have any comments on it?

I am not content with the closures.

I know, but we are not talking about them. The instrument is a technical thing.

Are members content to make no recommendation on the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.


Drugs Courts (Scotland) Amendment Order 2013 (SSI 2013/302)

The Convener

The third instrument is the Drugs Courts (Scotland) Amendment Order 2013, which removes the requirement for a dedicated drugs court in the sheriffdom of Tayside, Central and Fife. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee is content with the order.

Last week, a query was raised about the impact assessment on the order, to which Scottish Government officials have responded. That response can be found at paragraph 21 on page 4 of paper 3.

Do members have any comments on the order?

Convener—

Two members want to speak. I knew that there would be comments. It is all right—I was alert to that.

This is a backward step. The drugs court in Fife has been a success, and I know that there is local opposition to its closure. I resist the order.

Margaret Mitchell

I am concerned about the order, on which no impact assessment was carried out. The sheriff principal, as is his duty, has said that it would be good to close the drugs court because of capacity issues. Have those capacity issues arisen because the drugs court sits in Dunfermline and Kirkcaldy sheriff courts? At present, there is not enough capacity because of the planned closure of the nearby Cupar sheriff and justice of the peace court. It seems to me that the proposal has been made for all the wrong reasons.

The Fife drugs court was piloted in 2002, and no impact assessment has been carried out recently on how it has worked. There will be savings, but they are false economies. Like Alison McInnes, I oppose its closure.

The Convener

I am hugely supportive of drugs courts, but I read today—this is not in the papers, and is separate from the issues relating to the Fife drugs court—that there is a high degree of recidivism in those courts, that 70 to 80 per cent of those who had taken part went back, and that the courts did not work. I am sad to report that. I have been at drugs courts where the sheriff and support teams had not been successful in the way that one would have hoped. The issues are very complex.

Roderick Campbell

I disagree with Margaret Mitchell. I do not think that she has evidence—although I am not saying that she is saying that there is evidence—that the proposal has anything to do with the closure of Cupar sheriff court.

It is a wee bit unhelpful to have a note that says that the sheriff principal no longer wants a drugs court to run in his sheriffdom but does not explain why. That has left things a bit more confused than they might otherwise have been.

I do not want to publicise The Herald—although I have done it—but I think that a Government response gave the percentage of recidivism in relation to drugs, which I am sad to say was very high for what is a dedicated court.

John Finnie

The rationale for having a dedicated court is to deal with a specific and extremely complex issue. Recidivism and regressing into offending behaviour that is connected to addiction issues must be recognised as a part of that. I, too, am pained at any closure of such a specialist court.

Sandra White

I do not know whether Roddy Campbell said what I am about to say—it is a similar point. I reiterate that the policy note says:

“The Sheriff Principal ... believes that he will be better able to discharge his statutory responsibility if we move away from a dedicated Drugs Court. It is not possible to continue a Drugs Court ... without the support of the Sheriff Principal.”

We have all had our say.

The note says:

“The Sheriff Principal believes that, for a number of reasons, issues including court capacity, there is no longer a strong case for continuing”.

That is all on the record, including my bit about recidivism—I meant recidivism in relation to drugs and not to crime per se. I have to say that I was impressed when I saw Glasgow drugs court years ago.

The rest of the committee does not have the figures to analyse that the convener has. I know that the community justice authority and the council in the Fife drugs court area have concerns about the proposal.

The Convener

I read the figures in The Herald. I have put a caveat on them, but I think that 60 to 70 per cent of those involved were back on drugs. Members can check that out and hold me to account next week if I have misquoted the figures.

Are members content to make no recommendations on the order?

Members: No.

Members are not content. We have to report on the order by 2 December, so we will do a quick report, which members can all see before it is issued.

I think that we are against the order.

Do we not need to vote?

The Convener

This is not a voting item. We are reporting to the Subordinate Legislation Committee—I know that that is no longer that committee’s name. Some members are not content and others are; we will just do a brief report. Everything that members have said is on the record.

If statistics are available, it would be helpful to have them.

The Convener

The trouble will be in getting statistics to members within the deadline, but we will endeavour to get statistics, particularly on the reference that I made—I ask the clerks to check that out for me, please, as I do not want to be maligned. We will make a short report on the instrument.


Act of Sederunt (Rules of the Court of Session Amendment No 6) (Miscellaneous) 2013 (SSI 2013/294)

The Convener

Item 4 is on an act of sederunt that is not subject to any parliamentary procedure. It is before us because the DPLR Committee reported it for an incorrect reference to another instrument. In responding to that point, the Lord President’s private office confirmed that it plans to correct the error at the first available opportunity. As members have no comments, are we content to endorse the DPLR Committee’s conclusions?

Members indicated agreement.