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Rural Affairs and Environment Committee, 25 Jun 2008

Meeting date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008


Contents


Work Programme

The Convener:

Agenda item 5 is a discussion of the committee's forward work programme. The committee held an away day last Tuesday, following which the clerk has produced a note, which has been circulated. There are four key areas on which the committee must make decisions. The first two involve issues that would form the basis of inquiries; they are whether to hold, in the early autumn, a round-table discussion on food policy, and whether to invite the Auditor General for Scotland to give evidence on his report on sustainable waste management. The third area is whether we should reconsider our previous decision to conduct an inquiry into agricultural regulation and support, and the fourth area is to discuss making a visit to Brussels to meet key stakeholders at European level—I should say that that would not be likely to happen until next spring.

I am conscious that Mike Rumbles was unable to be at the away day. Do you want to make any comments on those four areas, Mike?

Mike Rumbles:

I am disappointed to hear that fellow members of the committee have suggested that we do not need to conduct the inquiry into agricultural regulation, which we had agreed to conduct. More than £400 million of European money is spent in that regard in Scotland every year, and I think that we should have a better handle on that. The visit to Brussels would go hand in glove with that inquiry. I cannot understand why we would go to Brussels if we dropped our inquiry into agricultural regulation.

The Convener:

In fairness, the decision about agricultural regulation and support was guided by the discussion that we had at the away day, and involves a deferral rather than an abandonment of the inquiry. We were not linking the inquiry to the Brussels meeting; we were thinking about the relationship that the committee has to the amount of stuff that comes from the European Union, from the point of view that we should have a better understanding of how to input to European work at a much earlier stage. This committee, like other committees, struggles massively with that issue.

Peter Peacock:

The paper captures our discussions very well, and I agree with the priorities that are being recommended. That said, it is not possible for the paper to cover everything that was discussed. In that regard, it is important to note, in approving the paper, that we were not able to accommodate other issues, such as the need to review the land reform legislation, which remains on the agenda, and sea angling. We also need to examine the rural development programme—which connects to what Mike Rumbles was saying—once it has had time to bed in. That programme is a huge part of Government activity in this area.

The programme that the paper outlines is already demanding. It cannot accommodate the three issues that I have mentioned, but, as it covers other important issues, I support its recommendations.

The Convener:

At the away day, there was a general feeling that, if the committee did not address issues relating to food security, that would be a fairly big failure on our part. It was felt that, at the moment, the issue was a more pressing concern than it was thought to be when we discussed our work programme last summer. That is evidence of the speed with which the environment is changing in respect of food security.

Mike Rumbles:

I respect the views of other members of the committee. However, if the inquiry has been postponed, rather than abandoned, it would make sense to tie the European visit into an inquiry into that area—whenever we come to it—because of all the issues that come out of Europe in the area of agricultural regulation.

The Brussels visit that is proposed in the paper is slightly wider than that. There is nothing to prevent us from going to Brussels again in the context of a future inquiry. We did not see the visit as necessarily being a one-off.

But, since we have not been there yet, we are unlikely to get another bite of the cherry.

I do not think that that is necessarily the case.

Karen Gillon:

I am generally content with the paper. However, as I was not able to attend the away day in the summer, I am slightly confused about what the agricultural regulation inquiry was going to be concerned with anyway. The subject is exceptionally broad, and I am not clear about what the inquiry was going to examine.

Through the budget process, we will have to look at the operation of the rural development programme in the past year—certain issues around efficiency savings and modulation have arisen that I want to explore further at that time.

One of the things that we flagged up around the visit to Brussels was our need to be aware of and be involved at a much earlier stage in European decisions on regulation and policy, so that we can influence regulations before they come into force. I think that the visit to Brussels will tie in with some of those issues around agricultural regulation. However, as Mike Rumbles rightly points out, there are so many agricultural regulations that it would be necessary to pick some specific issue to examine, rather than simply having a broad inquiry into agricultural regulation.

Another important issue is the introduction of the one-stop shop idea. It might be useful to examine that in a year's time, to see whether it is working properly.

Karen Gillon:

Yes.

I agree that it would be a dereliction of duty if we were not to consider food security, given the prominence that the issue now has in Scotland and around the world. Part of this committee's role should be to consider how we will mitigate the problems and adapt to the challenges.

John Scott:

I agree with virtually everything that Karen Gillon has said. The paper is very good, and correctly captures the spirit of the away day.

On Mike Rumbles's point, we had been thinking of looking at the regulations governing the Scottish Agricultural Wages Board and the part that the board plays in rural Scotland. However, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment launched a welcome consultation on the issue last week, which would seem to address that point.

At the away day, the feeling of the committee was that our ability to influence agricultural regulation was possibly less than our ability to influence the food security debate and Government thinking about how Scotland might address those issues and play our part globally. In terms of the committee's ability to achieve something, it is vital that we consider the food security issues.

Does the committee agree to reconsider our previous decision to conduct an inquiry into agricultural regulation and support at this point in the committee's proceedings?

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener:

Do we agree to hold a round-table evidence session to discuss food policy during the early part of the autumn? The aim of the session would be to help us to scope out an inquiry. In asking for that agreement, I also ask the committee to agree to delegate authority to me to finalise the list of participants. In doing so, I will have regard to the names that were mentioned at the away day and further suggestions from members.

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener:

Do we agree to invite the Auditor General to give evidence to the committee in the autumn on the 2007 Audit Scotland report on sustainable waste management? The report has been out for a while, but that discussion would help our consideration of whether to conduct an inquiry into waste management. Do I have that agreement?

Members indicated agreement.

The Convener:

Do we agree to visit Brussels to meet key stakeholders at a European level? The visit would take place after the European Parliament had risen but before the European election campaign, as there would be a minimum amount of distractions in that window of opportunity.

What is the purpose of the visit?

The Convener:

The purpose of the visit is to connect directly to those commissioners who have responsibility for the areas that our remit covers, and to explore with them, among other things, ways in which this committee could make a much earlier and more direct input into the process than it can at the moment, so that our contribution can be more effective. I do not think that any Scottish Parliament committee has yet managed to get on top of that issue, and we would like to ensure that this committee examines the way in which it works with regard to Europe.

We would also like to get an understanding of the current thinking in Europe on the direction of travel in the period after 2013, in terms of agricultural relations—

And regulations.

Indeed. However, we have the regulations that we have. We need to start looking at—and trying to influence—what we will have after 2013. That is why the committee should be connecting with officials in Europe and with commissioners.

It seems to be a wasted opportunity.

Do we agree to the suggestion?

No.

We will need to take a vote. Do we agree to seek approval for a fact-finding visit to Brussels?

For

Cunningham, Roseanna (Perth) (SNP)
Gillon, Karen (Clydesdale) (Lab)
Hepburn, Jamie (Central Scotland) (SNP)
Peacock, Peter (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Wilson, Bill (West of Scotland) (SNP)

Against

Rumbles, Mike (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD)

The Convener:

The result of the division is: For 6, Against 1, Abstentions 0.

The committee agrees to plan its visit to Brussels.

That ends the public part of our meeting. Our next meeting will take place on Tuesday 2 September, in the Corn Exchange in Melrose.

Meeting continued in private until 12:21.