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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning. Has the Scottish Government looked at the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015? If so, what assessment have you made of it? Audit Wales says that it is

“changing conversations, influencing longer-term planning, and impacting day-to-day decision-making and working practices”.

Is that not something that we want to see in Scotland? Having something in legislation might drive those conversations.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I suspect that you will give a similar answer to this question. Similarly, the bill outlines that public bodies must “have regard” to guidance that is produced by a future generations commissioner. Does that seem reasonable?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

To play devil’s advocate for a moment, we will have a new Government of some kind next year. We do not know what that Government will be, or what the Government after that will be. The issue might be high up on your priority list and high up on the Deputy First Minister’s priority list, but that might not be the case with the next Government. How do we ensure that, if it is not dealt with in legislation, it will still be high up on the agenda of whoever forms the next Government?

09:15  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you—that was helpful.

The bill refers to the need for public bodies to have “due regard” to the need to promote wellbeing and sustainable development. We have taken evidence that that could be strengthened. What view do you have on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

He does; I agree.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Will the member take an intervention?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I would have more sympathy with that view if we were going down the road of Miles Briggs’s amendment 198. If there was a list that was available to somebody who wanted this, they could see who was and who was not willing to facilitate it. That would be very clear. I would be able to look on a website and see who was willing and who was not willing to do this and I could then go through that process. That is one of the issues.

I also think that the amendments do not deal with those at an administrative level who would be asked to do things that go against their views. I am worried that, again, we are going to exclude people from a workplace environment where they would be happy to do everything else that might be required, but not this particular thing. We may end up losing people from those workplaces.

I appreciate what Mr McArthur said. However, my amendment 190 is not about trying to obstruct patient choice, but about ensuring that individuals who are against assisted suicide are not drawn into it. To compel participation in assisted suicide, even as a referrer, is to turn conscience into mere compliance. My amendment, if it is accepted, would give protection in that regard.

My amendments 191 and 192 are follow-on amendments. Again, I accept what Mr McArthur says, but this area of law is new and depends on individual choices. That is why I think that the burden of proof should be reversed from what is in place for other areas of law.

Amendment 191 specifies that if

“a claim of conscientious objection”

is alleged to have

“been improperly or falsely made”,

the responsibility to prove or justify that claim

“lies with the person or institution”

making the allegation, rather than with the individual who is exercising the objection. The rationale is simple: it is to protect individuals and organisations that conscientiously refuse to participate, ensuring that they are not unfairly required to defend their ethical or moral stance.

Amendment 192—[Interruption.]. I am happy to take an intervention.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Just a second.

On the other issue that you raise, you are saying that someone who wants to work for a certain hospice or organisation that does not carry out assisted suicide—assisted dying—must accept that. My point is that that is already the position in law in other areas. An organisation will have certain beliefs, philosophies and ideas. Someone does not necessarily have to sign up to those intellectually, but they do have to sign up in practical terms.

10:30  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That is helpful, thank you. I wonder whether it would be helpful to get an update from the Scottish Government on its position, particularly in relation to some of the amendments that we are considering.