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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

First, I think that we would all want to give a big thank you to Edel Harris for all the work that she and her colleagues have done. It will be interesting to see how not just the Government, but every political party, responds to your review. We could spend the next 12 hours discussing it, but I suspect that I will not be allowed to do that, so I will limit myself to a couple of questions.

Your report talks about the 50 per cent rule, fluctuating conditions and the 20m mobility rule. If I were to lock you in a room and say, “You can’t come out until you tell us the first thing from your listening exercise that you would do”, what, from all the good stuff that you have produced, would be the one thing that you think the disability community would want to happen first?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Thank you. We could discuss that issue for a long time, but I will leave it there for the moment.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I think that Emma Jackson might want to come in. She was nodding, but I do not know whether she wants to say anything.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

My final question is probably slightly more controversial. Your report says that face-to-face consultations

“play an important role in the decision-making process.”

Many people—we heard this from Emma Jackson—have had a bad experience when they have gone for their face-to-face PIP consultation. Is it possible to devise a scheme with face-to-face consultations that are not quite as confrontational or uncomfortable as the ones that many claimants have experienced? I am interested to hear your view on that. Often, if you meet somebody face to face, you can get a better view of how the disability actually affects them. Perhaps that is why so many people are successful at appeals, because they are seen by people rather than their case just being read on paper. Is it possible to devise such a scheme while making sure that people feel comfortable with it?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Once she has heard my question, she might not want to take it.

I welcome the witnesses—thank you for coming. I absolutely agree with everything that you have said so far about social security being an investment. I should remind members that I am on ADP myself.

Going back to what Chris Birt, Emma Jackson and others have said, I would say that we want to focus on the most needy people in society and ensure that those who are the most vulnerable are able to get the most. However, any social investment comes with a cost, and we have all seen the figures for where the money will go over the next few years. Have you given any thought to how the money might be targeted better, so that, say, people who are on higher incomes might not get it, particularly ADP? I know that there are issues with how we would do that, with passporting benefits and so on, but, in principle, do you think that would it be better to take that social investment and use it in a different way to give more to those in need, rather than necessarily giving it to someone like me, who is on a reasonably good salary? Has any thinking been done on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

Anyone at all.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

That is helpful; thank you for that.

I will raise two specific things. The first is about whether review periods should be longer or should be phased out, particularly for people who have permanent conditions. I am interested in that, and I am up for review at the moment. If I suddenly get two hands, it would be on the front of the Daily Mail. Is it a good use of taxpayers’ money to call people who have permanent conditions in for review, rather than just telling them to come back to Social Security Scotland if something changes dramatically?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I have a question for Stephen, Chris or Emma. Clearly, both Governments have to make their own choices, and it is not necessarily for us to comment on that, positively or negatively. The big issue is passporting. If you get ADP, you passport into other benefits. Is there any way of decoupling passporting so that, if a decision is made at Westminster or here in Holyrood that the other Government does not like, it does not affect people’s benefits? Can we decouple, or is that too complicated to look at?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

The fiscal sustainability delivery plan sets out cashable savings of around £1 billion in the first year. Is that achievable? Is it one of those figures that have just been dreamt up on a Friday afternoon or is it something that could be done with the right effort? What effect would that have on individuals and the budget?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Jeremy Balfour

I remind members that I am on adult disability payment at the higher rate.