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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning to the minister and his team. I have a couple of questions. First, when David Phillips, from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, gave evidence to the committee, he talked about a “cliff edge” for some families, who fear losing out on their eligibility for SCP if they take on extra hours of work. I presume that now is the right time to go into it. What work are you and your team doing on that? What mitigation is there around that and what thinking is being done?

Secondly, I go back to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question, to which I do not think that I heard an answer. Once ADP is fully transferred and is being run by Social Security Scotland, do you intend to increase that benefit as you have increased the other benefits that are now being run by the agency? Once all the transfers have taken place, do you see a further increase happening, or do you see the amount staying aligned with the UK figure?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Case Transfer

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I am on PIP at the moment. How much notice will be given to people of when they will be transferred to ADP? It is quite a long time. Is transfer being carried out geographically or alphabetically? How much notice will people be given that they are transferring from the DWP to the new agency?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Case Transfer

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

When will detailed guidance on case transfer from PIP to ADP be published? Do you have a date for publishing it?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Case Transfer

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

We live and breath this day in, day out, but there are lots of people out there who want that reassurance, so that is really helpful.

Could I seek clarification? You helpfully said that people who have long-term conditions will not have to go through the same assessment period for PIP as they do at the moment under the DWP. When people are transferred, if they are, say, two years away from a review, will they be told that that review will not need to take place? How will you make that decision about those who are already on PIP and are coming up for a review two or three years down the road? Will they be told at that point that the review will not take place or will that happen once everybody has been transferred?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I am conscious of time, and I understand that this is a big issue, so I ask David Phillips to put some of his answer to us in writing. My specific question for him is whether any future divergence in benefit criteria can be reflected in the negotiations. If, in a year or 18 months, the Scottish Government or Parliament decides to change the mobility requirement to, say, 50m rather than 20m, with the result that many more people would be entitled, should that be reflected in the fiscal framework now, or is it simply impossible to do that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I am trying to work out where that £2.7 million is coming from. Was it sitting there for a rainy day or was it allocated for a different purpose until it was transferred, probably quite rightly, to the uprating of the benefits? How much flexibility do you have in your budget for that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Good morning. We will look at the relaid regulations on 31 March, which is fine. In order that we can look ahead and do the appropriate planning, however, I have a question about the increase to the benefits. I presume that the cost will be met from the Scottish Government budget, rather than from what has already been planned. Where is the money coming from? Will it come from the social security budget that has been approved by Parliament or from a different department’s budget? When we passed the budget, Kate Forbes told us that every penny had been accounted for and all the money would be spent. This is obviously extra money that was not in the budget. Where is it coming from?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I am happy for Emma Congreve to start, if she wants to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

Okay—that is helpful. It is interesting to think about whether there could be timed tapering.

My final question is on the fiscal framework, which is a mystery to most of us. Obviously, negotiations are going on around the framework between the UK Government and the Scottish Government. How important is social security in the negotiations? If you were advising the Scottish Government, what would you tell it to ask for?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Jeremy Balfour

I have two questions, the first of which is aimed at David Phillips. I was interested in the issue of tapering with regard to some benefits. Can you point us to any evidence of tapering in other parts of the world with regard to things like personal independence payments and the disability living allowance that we could consider with regard to new benefits in Scotland? There has been quite a lot of research that shows that people ask why they should get better if they are going to lose their benefits. For example, if regaining the ability to walk 20m or 25m means that a person could lose their car, they might ask what would be the benefit of them getting any better? Is there any evidence of tapering across the world with regard to things like PIP, which we could look at in Scotland?