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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Where have we heard that before? We should be aligning bus and rail timetables. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Mr Boland, I want to go back what you said about the difference in pay for electrical engineers in the oil and gas sector and those in the renewables sector possibly being as much as £20,000. That is specifically because electrical engineer jobs in the oil and gas sector are very highly paid—they are paid above what we would expect for an electrical engineer. How on earth do we square that circle if we are talking about a just transition? Moving from one sector to another would mean a big drop in salary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

We have talked about delivering innovation. It strikes me that we cannot have people working in the oil and gas sector and in the green energy sector, and that we need an influx of new talent into the sector.

We have talked about STEM ever since I came into the Parliament. There is still a very low STEM uptake among women. To me, that is where the biggest innovation has to happen. We talk about 2045. In that timescale, how can we practically deliver STEM training, innovation and encouragement in schools to deliver our 2045 targets?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you. I will leave it there, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Good morning to the panel. I want to tease out a few points that were made earlier.

Obviously, there are significant opportunities for Scotland in renewable technologies. We want a green economy, and we are well advanced in things such as onshore and offshore wind energy. We are doing particularly well in those, but maybe we are behind the curve a bit on things such as hydrogen.

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On the practicalities of a just transition, we have already heard that the growth of the green economy is not matching the decline in oil and gas jobs. That matching is where we need to be for a just transition. How can we create the sector for people to transition into? Are we supporting innovation enough to ensure that we are creating commercial success that gives confidence to those who want to transition and move into the sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Convener, do I have time to bring in Mr Boland?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

We talk about offshore wind and floating wind platforms, and we have heard about the potential of green hydrogen for the Scottish economy. I am a big supporter of that, but we are very much behind the curve on it. Developing a green hydrogen economy takes significant investment. From your perspective, where do we need to go with that to get green hydrogen economy technologies, for example, and catch up with where we are with wind?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

A good friend of mine came out with the phrase that the only competitive advantage we have is in learning faster than our competitors.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

Where I agree with you for sure is the need to develop the marketplace. If you do that, business will innovate to supply it. For me, that is where we are behind.

In the short time that I have, I want to ask Gordon McGuinness about the long-term strategy and planning for workforce delivery. Indeed, I asked this question earlier. I think that one of the major untapped workforces is women coming into STEM. We have been talking for ever about that and that huge potential, but I am not sure that I quite got an answer to that particular question.

There are a couple of issues to highlight. How do we move that dial, given that we require that workforce? I am also interested in the need to invest in education. The suggestion that I heard in that respect was about opening colleges at night, which would be a great innovation, but will cost money. Do you agree with me that, to deliver on our targets, we need to invest more in that part of the education system to allow that transition to happen?

Those are just some easy questions for you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Brian Whittle

With that in mind, Suzanne Sosna, in terms of what SE is doing just now, how do we maintain that advantage? We are charging ahead, as far as I can see, in offshore wind and onshore wind. As I said this morning, I am a massive green hydrogen fan and I think that we are behind the curve with that. We are probably behind the curve in carbon capture and, potentially, in heat. How do we bring all that into the just transition at pace?