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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Emma Harper to speak to amendment 240 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call the minister to speak to amendment 71 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I am still a bit concerned. You mentioned the advice that was given in relation to the submission in 2023. Proposed new section 6BZ is all about intervening for nature and climate objectives—surely that is exactly what that provision is about. The advice that the then minister received suggested that

“To go beyond preventing damage is a significant shift in balance between public and private interests and we could expect challenges to this proposal on European Convention on Human Rights grounds”.

Is that advice not absolutely applicable to proposed new section 6ZB, as it was to the submission back in 2023?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Alasdair Allan to speak to amendment 39 and other amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 132 disagreed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 34th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, I ask everyone to ensure that their electronic devices are switched to silent. We have received apologies from Ariane Burgess, and we welcome to the meeting Mark Ruskell, who is attending as her substitute.

Agenda item 1 is consideration of subordinate legislation. I welcome to the meeting Mairi Gougeon, Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, and the following Scottish Government officials: Ashley Cook, deputy director for food and drink; Tracy McCollin, head of the good food nation team; Lisa Nowak, policy officer, good food nation team; and James Hamilton, lawyer.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you, cabinet secretary.

This has been a long process. The good food nation has been talked about for more than a decade. This committee did a huge amount of work right at the beginning of the parliamentary session, but, sadly, we were unable to properly scrutinise the plan, given the lack of time.

In their responses to our call for views, stakeholders, including the Scottish Food Commission, have been highly critical of the SSI. There has been lots of concern around governance and accountability. Indeed, the Scottish Food Commission suggested that the SSI has

“conflated the desire for specificity with that of being narrow.”

There is, therefore, some confusion about how we have arrived where we are. Will you explain what your approach has been and, given that some functions or descriptions—for example, crofting—appear in one schedule but not in the other, is there a risk that, by including some functions but not others, there may be omissions in practice?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 223 disagreed to.

Amendment 224 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

There will be a division.

For

Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Tweed, Evelyn (Stirling) (SNP)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Finlay Carson

You say that you tried to be comprehensive. However, one damning feature of the SSI is the policy note, which runs to just one and a half pages. I have seen SSIs that were considerably less impactful on food production but had more explanation about how the Government had arrived at its policies. Why does so little information surround this SSI, given how broad it is? One and a half pages is probably the smallest policy note that we have had in any of the legislation that the committee has considered over the past four years.

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