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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Before I move on to Jo Pike, from the Scottish Wildlife Trust, and Dr Snowdon, I ask them also to consider the comments that Dieter Helm made about the need to get the approach to natural capital right and to assess and baseline it. For example, we need to ensure that we do not plant tens of thousands of hectares of Sitka spruce if, in the long term, that is not the best investment. Potentially, we need to do all the planning before we bring forward policies. Do we need to pause right now, even though we are in a climate emergency, and ensure that we make the best investment for the long term to get the best from our natural capital?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Sorry—we lost connection for a minute. I ask Jenni Minto to repeat what she said.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

For some time, the principle of public money for public goods has been suggested as the way forward south of the border. Some policies are now being introduced, but some people do not view them as a particularly good move. In Scotland, the direction of travel for rural support is still quite unclear, particularly in relation to the replacement for CAP. Is there anything in what is being introduced south of the border that should be adopted up here, and what should we avoid when it comes to future rural payments?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

I will come in on the back of that with a question for Eilidh. I know that you said that the matter is above your pay grade or whatever, but should the National Investment Bank be looking at ethical decision making? There might, for example, be an economic argument for cutting down rainforests in Brazil and creating cattle lots. In the same way, and in the long term, should the bank be looking at investments in forestry planting? There is, absolutely, private sector money to be invested in that, but, in Scotland right now, land is overpriced and farmers are being priced out of the market because of the astronomical amounts that those private investors are willing to pay to plant trees. Jim Fairlie touched on land grades. Land classified as 3.2, which would normally be for agricultural production, is now assumed to be suitable for planting trees. Is that not something that you should consider when deciding on the investments that you might make? I put that question first to Eilidh and then to Ian Dickie.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the evidence session. I thank our witnesses for their evidence and their considered responses to our questions.

We will suspend the meeting briefly.

12:10 Meeting suspended.  

12:22 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Our second agenda item is consideration of a piece of subordinate legislation. This instrument is subject to the negative procedure. I refer members to paper 3 and to pages 21 to 24 in our papers pack.

Does any member wish to raise any issues regarding the instrument?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Okay. I would like to ask how the private storage aid scheme links in with the previous hardship scheme—which ran for, I think, three weeks—and whether the Government has any plans to reintroduce that scheme.

I would also like to raise the issue of potential fraud when funding is provided to store carcases. What checks are in place to ensure that carcases are not processed early and released back into the food chain, with the use of butchering facilities outwith Scotland? We should also find out how much funding is available in total through the scheme.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

As there are no more comments, are members content to note the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will now move on to the theme of public funding.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Finlay Carson

That is interesting. My next question is whether the horse has bolted. Targets have already been set for tree planting and peatland, and we are racing down that road. Some of our routes to reaching net zero by 2045 are already based on trees, which will generally be Sitka spruce. Is it still possible to put the brakes on and do the work that you are talking about to ensure that we get the right outcomes and do not have Sitka spruce planted on agricultural land that would be better put to other use? What methods should we employ? How can we get Government to slow down a bit and look at the long-term implications rather than grab the low-hanging fruit?