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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is an evidence session on the draft national planning framework 4. I welcome to the meeting Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, and Tom Arthur, the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth. They are accompanied by Scottish Government officials: Jill Barber, the head of aquaculture development; Cara Davidson, the branch head of environment and natural resources; Andy Kinnaird, the head of planning transformation; Philip Raines, the head of the rural economy and communities division; and Fiona Simpson, the chief planner.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you very much for your opening statement. We will now go to questions from members, and I will kick off. A few respondents were concerned about the process for consulting on and finalising NPF4. Indeed, National Trust Scotland said:

“We feel that this limits informed Parliamentary scrutiny of the draft framework by not affording the relevant Committees the opportunity to thoroughly examine a document”.

How has NPF4 been rural proofed? That is not clear. Will NPF4 rise to the challenge of responding to the unique challenges of rural Scotland?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That completes our consideration of the affirmative instrument. I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses. We will reconvene at 10.40.

10:34 Meeting suspended.  

10:40 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

I am conscious that we are rapidly running out of time. Rachael Hamilton has a brief supplementary question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is consideration of an instrument that is subject to affirmative procedure. I refer members to pages 3 and 30 of their briefing packs.

I welcome back Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands, for this agenda item. She is supported by Caroline Cowan, the interim deputy director for funding and strategy, and Iain Hepburn, the futures marine funding strategy delivery lead, Marine Scotland; and by Emma Phillips from the Scottish Government legal directorate. I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. Before we begin, I ask all members using electronic devices to turn them to silent.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take item 6 of today’s meeting in private, and whether to consider a draft letter on the national planning framework at our next meeting in private. Are we content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 7, Against 1, Abstentions 1.

Motion agreed to,

That the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee recommends that the Aquaculture and Fisheries etc. (Scheme for Financial Assistance) (Scotland) Regulations 2022 [draft] be approved.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Jenni Minto has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We are now able to bring in Beatrice Wishart—we are cooking with gas, as they say.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Finlay Carson

I have a question on the back of that. We heard that the Government thought that the cost of drawing up the plans would be negligible for public bodies and health bodies, but the delivery of the plans to achieve the outcomes is a different thing. Potentially, there is a higher cost if we procure locally; there is a higher cost to building the processing network for the food to be used locally. We have seen local authority budgets slashed over the past few years, so local authorities are under immense pressure at the moment. We hear also about the benefits of eating healthier food and the cost savings that that could have of millions of pounds to the health service every year. How much commitment should the Government give to local authorities to deliver these plans to achieve what we all want as a good food nation?