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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I suggest that, before we move on to that, we pick up some of the other questions about ARIOB. Then we can move on to the IT system—I think that we want to look at that separately.

I will bring in Ariane Burgess and then Evelyn Tweed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I have two brief questions. The minister has previously spoken about system limitations, but there was a technical upgrade between 2022 and 2024, which was the largest technical update to the payment system. How much did that upgrade cost? At the last meeting at which she gave evidence, Ms Callaghan said that the future cost of updates is not yet known. Can you give us a ballpark figure for the cost of the upgrade that we have just gone through and the estimated cost of future upgrades to deliver the Government’s ambitions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

The next item on the agenda is an evidence session on the climate transition for Scottish agriculture, ahead of our scrutiny of the climate change plan in the autumn. This follows on from our evidence session with stakeholders from the farming sector last week, and I welcome a panel of academics and climate experts.

Before we begin, I remind participants that they do not need to operate their mics. I will invite all witnesses to introduce themselves and to briefly tell us about their backgrounds.

Starting on my right, we have Dr Vera Eory, reader, Scotland’s Rural College; Dave McKay, co-director, Soil Association Scotland; Dr Mike Robinson, chief executive, Royal Scottish Geographical Society; and, joining us remotely, Professor Dave Reay, executive director, Edinburgh Climate Change Institute at the University of Edinburgh.

I invite Dr Eory to begin.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Thanks. We will now move to questions, and I will kick off.

The rate of emission reductions that has been achieved in the agriculture sector to date is lower than that in other sectors, having reduced by only 12 per cent from 1990 levels. Last week, we heard from farming representatives who suggested clearly where the issue was. However, from a scientific perspective, will you set out why you think agricultural reductions have somewhat stalled and are not keeping pace with other sectors?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Neil, you wanted to comment some time ago.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent. We have received apologies from Elena Whitham, Emma Roddick and Beatrice Wishart, so we are somewhat depleted, but please do not feel that that is a reflection of the quality of the witnesses that we have this morning. It reminds me of when I once turned up at a village hall in the Borders to address a Burns supper but there was nobody there. I asked the chairman whether he had told anybody that I was going to be speaking, and he said, “No, but it must have got out.”

Anyway, our first item of business is consideration of whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is an evidence session on a climate transition for Scottish agriculture. This will be the first of two meetings in which the committee will discuss the issue as part of our pre-legislative scrutiny of the climate change plan. I am pleased that we are joined by a panel of five stakeholders from the farming sector. I invite all the participants to introduce themselves and to briefly tell us about their backgrounds.

We will kick off with Jonnie Hall.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I am conscious of the time, but I will let Neil Wilson come in before we move on to our next question. A lot of it appears to be around co-design. We hear that co-design is at the centre of all Government policy making. From what you are saying, that does not seem to be the case from the point of view of the food and agriculture stakeholders task force. Is that a concern to you?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That takes us neatly on to questions from Rhoda Grant.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I am conscious that Jonnie Hall needs to get away at 11 o’clock. We have two questions left, but, if you feel that you need to get away, I completely understand.