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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Rachael Hamilton will wind up with questions on sections 4, 8 and 9.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I have a final question about enforcement. The offence in the bill is one of hunting using a dog. Dogs are an absolutely essential ingredient throughout the bill. The mode of transport that is used to accompany the dogs should surely be irrelevant, yet the bill suggests that there could be disqualification orders for dogs and that horses could be seized. Why are those on horseback being singled out in the bill when, for example, the owners of quad bikes are not?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

It will need to be—we are running out of time fast, I am afraid.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I genuinely accept and absolutely take on board the need to consider both wildlife management and the welfare of animals, but there must be a practical solution to the issue.

We will move on to Jenni Minto.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

That concludes our business in public. We will now close on BlueJeans, and we will meet in private session.

12:01 Meeting continued in private until 12:10.  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I have some supplementary questions on that point. It has been suggested that the only reason for bringing in a two-dog limit is to absolutely stop traditional hunting with packs. That is the only reason; it is not actually down to animal welfare. First, are you confident that there is enough expertise in NatureScot to decide whether, for example, three, five, six or 11 dogs is the most animal-welfare-friendly number of dogs to use in relation to individual licence applications?

Secondly, where will the licences apply? In some places, you might find that it is appropriate to use three dogs; in other places, it might be appropriate to use 11 dogs. Will individual landowners have to apply for multiple licences to cover different types of land, to ensure that the best method of humanely controlling pests is undertaken?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Rachael Hamilton has questions on section 7. Rachael, can you also cover your questions on sections 4, 8 and 9?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

We now move on to agenda item 2, which is consideration of a statutory instrument. I refer members to papers 3 and 4. Do any members have any questions or comments to make on the regulations?

As members do not, do members agree with the Scottish Government’s decision to consent to the provisions set out in the notification being included in UK, rather than Scottish, subordinate legislation?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

Our first item of business is an evidence session on the Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill, with the Scottish Government bill team. I welcome Hugh Dignon, who is the head of the wildlife and flood management unit; Leia Fitzgerald, who is the team leader of the wildlife legislation team; and solicitors Hazel Reilly and Amy Hogarth. We have about 75 minutes. I will kick off the questions.

We have had a huge response to the survey and to the questionnaire, but it would appear that views are mixed, with 50 per cent of those who responded saying that they are for the bill and 50 per cent saying that they are not. It looks as though there is almost a perfect split between those who wish to continue with the legislation as it is and those who wish to see changes. Does that mean that you have got this bill wrong?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Finlay Carson

Item 5 is an evidence session on the impact of EU exit on the rural affairs and islands remit. Members will recall that the committee took evidence from the cabinet secretary on the subject on 12 January 2022. We agreed that it would be helpful also to take evidence from the United Kingdom Government on the same issue.

I welcome George Eustice, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, and invite him to make an opening statement.