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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

As expected, the answers to those questions were short and succinct.

Our final theme is the licensing of dealing in venison, which I am sure that Dick Playfair will be happy that we have reached, because he has been very patient.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Alan?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next theme is preventing or stopping damage by deer, which Beatrice Wishart will ask about.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

You are all very welcome.

I kick off with a question that I asked the witnesses from NatureScot in the first session. Section 10 of the bill amends part 1 of the 1996 act to add that NatureScot should take account of “the public interest” in respect of the

“Aims and purposes of deer management”

and consider the environment when carrying out its functions. Is there consensus on the terms “public interest” and “environment” and how they relate to deer management across the sector?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose that what I am trying to get at is that the code of practice will play a critical role. It is almost as though there is a framework bill and the code of practice then puts the meat on the bones. Should that code of practice undergo more scrutiny from the Parliament and not just be left to NatureScot to pull together, whether through co-design or whatever? Does the code of practice need oversight from the Parliament?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

There may need to be something in secondary legislation that clearly defines what might be in the public interest, given the changing scene and other pieces of legislation, to make sure that stakeholders know what is coming down the road and whether it is proportionate and addresses what the bill is supposed to achieve.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

We are going to see things such as the climate change and biodiversity plans, and we have the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024. Those will have different objectives and the public interest might change. Is there a role for the Parliament in looking at the explanatory notes to ensure that the Parliament has oversight of what “public interest” might mean and its impact on land managers?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Can you explain why that definition of public interest is not in the bill? There is some attempt to define public interest in the explanatory notes, but it is not likely to change any great detail, so why is it not in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

Will the new powers and having to enforce them have any effect on NatureScot’s capacity?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

We know that the code of practice has to be approved by Parliament, but the work with stakeholders to pull the code together has not yet begun. Would it not be desirable for a draft of that code of practice to be available prior to stage 3 of these proceedings, so that we know what it is likely to look like and stakeholders know what is coming down the road?

In other situations where framework bills have required a code of practice, it has been quite some time before that code of practice has been approved, and there have also been some difficulties with issues around the guidance on the Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Act 2023, aspects of the code of practice for the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Act 2024 and even with the definitions in the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024. Therefore, do you agree that it would be sensible for the work on producing the code of practice to start now and for the Parliament to be able to see what it looks like in draft form prior to the bill going through?