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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before Jamie Whittle comes in, I will ask my next question, because it relates to this point directly. It is about environmental safeguards or other limitations on the powers that are currently in the draft bill. Do we need to protect certain core aspects of regimes from being amended in secondary legislation? That ties in with some of the responses that we have just heard. Jamie, that might be one for you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You mentioned the need to provide encouragement. How can we incentivise the transformational change that is needed? Should we use the carrot or the stick? Does the bill do that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I apologise—you are Rob, not Bob. I should have checked that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You said that it is hard for us to experience that. There are different priorities, are there not? It is easy to set climate change targets by looking at the levels of carbon dioxide, methane and so on, which can be measured fairly simply. Biodiversity is a completely different challenge. If we want to protect ground-nesting birds, we need to do more to address predators. When we are talking about other small mammals, we must look seriously at the impact of badgers on the environment. How on earth do we set targets that identify individual species but have a far broader impact on general biodiversity net gain?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I think that I inadvertently opened up another line of discussion. I will jump forward and bring in Elena Whitham.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That takes me on to a supplementary question. The consultation in 2023 said that successful targets will need to incentivise transformative change and ensure that biodiversity is mainstreamed into all levels of government. Given the past record of the Government, how will the bill achieve that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Should the bill reflect the capacity or the lack of it within some of the public bodies that need to be involved in the process? For example, Emma and others have touched on the current race for onshore as well as offshore renewables, but the capacity within local authorities to look at and review those environmental impact assessments is a massive issue. Some local authorities with the bulk of the wind farm applications have only a part-time biodiversity officer.

Should something within the bill ensure capacity within the whole chain of the EIA process to deal with it adequately? At the moment, local authorities are not able to deal with that process and applications are automatically passed to the energy consents unit to decide. That effectively bypasses some of the scrutiny and some of the local democracy. Do we need something in the bill that ensures that the process is fit for purpose and that there is capacity to deliver the right outcomes, particularly on planning applications?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

How realistic is that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose that the process can work, but the evidence right now is that it does not, because a huge number of applications bypass a whole part of that scrutiny—the local authority part—and go straight to the energy consents unit, which nobody knows about. It is a secret department within the Government. It is incredibly difficult to find out how that decision-making process works. The EIA process might be there but, if we cannot deliver it, is it fit for purpose? That is my query.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Finlay Carson

I will give Ross Ewing the right to reply. It must be short.