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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Finally, the policy memorandum states that

“there is a good degree of confidence that the policies developed will have strategic alignment”

with the EU. How important is that? Given the concerns that you raised about Europe—we have heard that the green deal has almost collapsed and there are issues with funding for nature restoration—how important is it that we have a strategy that is aligned with the EU rather than more broadly with the UN?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Bob Brooker.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That was a bit indulgent of me, because I do not know whether it relates directly to the bill, but it is interesting to hear how it might work in practice. Davy McCracken, would you like to come in on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

On the question of whether something is robust and proportionate, does the bill make it easier for the Government to justify disregarding concerns that are raised in the EIA? Even if, at the next step, a reporter agrees that the impact is unacceptable, does it allow the Government more flexibility to say that the development’s impact is proportionate? I hope that what I am trying to say makes sense. Should campaigners who are concerned about the impact of new energy infrastructure be worried that the legislation will make it easier for the Government to disregard EIAs?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose that the big question requires a yes or a no. Does the bill address everything that needs to be addressed, or should we be looking at a consolidation bill that pulls everything together? That would be far easier to follow in order to understand where the obligations lie. Was this a missed opportunity? Should we have had a consolidation bill, or should we look for the Government delivering that over a certain timeframe?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

This is a framework bill—we are not going to try to define what a framework bill is, but it is fairly obvious that this is one—and there are always concerns about how the secondary legislation that, in effect, puts the meat on the bones is developed and what scrutiny it comes under. Does the bill as it sits now give the Parliament enough scrutiny powers to deal with that, whether the measures are negative or affirmative? Could you deal with that, Jamie, as well as responding to Emma Harper’s question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Our final question on part 1 is from Evelyn Tweed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

The UK Energy Act 2023 already allows Scottish ministers to amend certain parts of the habitats regulations. That is in recognition of the fact that we need to develop offshore wind farms at pace and at scale, but it also affects other activities that are associated with grid connections and so on. That sort of ties in with section 3(b) and section 3(c). It is about how we get the balance right.

To give a practical example, we have recently seen a major pylon upgrade from Glenlee to Kendoon—the Tongland upgrade. There were about 1,000 objections to that—nobody was in favour of the upgrade. It went to public inquiry, and the reporter suggested that the impact of the development on biodiversity and landscape was unacceptable. However, the Scottish ministers decided that the benefits of protecting the security of the electricity supply overrode all of that, much to the disappointment of campaigners. I believe that that development will potentially go to judicial review.

Will the new legislation—section 3(b) in particular—make it easier for the Government to do that and justify potentially damaging biodiversity and landscapes? Is it likely to make it easier for them to go—as we say in here—at pace and at the scale required? Again, the issue is about protections.